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IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by FridayoLeary »

bglazer wrote: post #855
FridayoLeary wrote: post #690

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not surprising. They remember the scenes of ecstatic celebration on the streets of Gaza and the West Bank on october 7. And the fact is that the people of Gaza could end the conflict whenever they want. All they need to do is surrender and hand over the hostages. You might think i'm oversimplifying but actually that's really it.

I keep hearing the “the killing would end if Hamas would just release the hostages”. But the Israelis keep offering ceasefire terms that include full release of hostages but no permanent cessation of hostilities, only 60 days and not even temporary full withdrawal from Gaza. Why do you think the Israelis want to keep their tanks in Gaza even after all the hostages come back? Why won’t they offer a full and permanent…

Nonsense. Anything less then a full military occupation of gaza for the medium term at least would be unacceptable. This is so blindingly obvious that it doesn't even need to be explained. Anyway it would benefit the gazans far more then a war every 5 years.

If they wanted to ethnically cleanse gaza they would have done so long before October 7. You don't seem to understand the reality of war and the consequences of being on the losing side. Nor of the constraints Israel would be forced to work with if they had total control of Gaza.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by jekwoooooe »

archagon wrote: post #679
jekwoooooe wrote: post #672

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Sure I definitely believe it. It’s definitely true. For sure.

It’s such a shame that you get to face zero consequences for your repugnant dismissal if you’re wrong.

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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by bglazer »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #861
bglazer wrote: post #855

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep hearing the “the killing would end if Hamas would just release the hostages”. But the Israelis keep offering ceasefire terms that include full release of hostages but no permanent cessation of hostilities, only 60 days and not even temporary full withdrawal from Gaza. Why do you think the Israelis want to keep their tanks in Gaza even after all the hostages come back? Why won’t they offer a full and permanent…

Nonsense. Anything less then a full military occupation of gaza for the medium term at least would be unacceptable. This is so blindingly obvious that it doesn't even need to be explained. Anyway it would benefit the gazans far more then a war every 5 years. If they wanted to ethnically cleanse gaza they would have done so long before October 7. You don't seem to understand the reality of war and the consequences of…

You didn’t answer the question. Why won’t Israel commit to a permanent ceasefire if “the war ends when the hostages are released”? Why do they insist on being able to start the war again in 60 days if the hostages are all they want?

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by grugagag »

Myrmornis wrote: post #802

I appreciate that this topic has been permitted to stay on the HN front page. It has been utterly horrific watching the barbaric and inhuman behavior of Israel. I have no idea how we are supposed to ever respect or forgive our own states that have aquiesced in this, let alone Israel.

Thank you Dang!

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by wat10000 »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #838
wat10000 wrote: post #761

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Imagine if your city was invaded by a powerful enemy. They bomb the place to rubble. They blow up every hospital. They enact a blockade and hinder aid organizations from providing basic food. They do this for nearly two years straight and show no sign of stopping. They say, “just surrender and it will all be over.” Are you going to trust that?

Yes. In military terms it's known as a "defeat".

Historically, being “defeated” by an enemy that’s committing mass murder of civilians doesn’t typically stop the killing.

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Post by sorcerer-mar »

amy214 wrote: post #860
neepi wrote: post #659

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I don't like getting involved in political threads but on this I have to. All information presented is mostly unverified testimony printed verbatim by the press from untrustworthy sources on both sides. It's difficult to tell what is fact and what is not. A lot of early reports in this war turned out to be false information and the rush to immediate news notification rather than quality journalism means that the head…

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Thank you for your unbiased opinion shedding objective light on this incident and reporting. You have brought forth excellent evidence for dismissing this evidence.

Anyway, some more history to consider: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2017-11-17/ty-article/.p...

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by frob »

maskil wrote: post #866

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I encourage you to read the quotes from Israeli political and social leaders in this piece: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/27/israel...

> “The Gaza Strip should be flattened, and for all of them there is but one sentence, and that is death,” Yitzhak Kroizer, a member of national security minister Itamar Ben Gvir’s far-right Otzma Yehudit party, said in a radio interview.

Yitzhak is a current sitting member of the Knesset.

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Post by ath3nd »

YZF wrote: post #706
Hikikomori wrote: post #703

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IDF HQ is next to a mall, so Israel is doing the same as Hamas?

And where is the Pentagon? Attacking the Qirya, Israel's HQ, with some sort of accuracy is a legitimate military target. It's a pretty large target. Soldiers wear uniform. There are no civilians mixed into that camp. This is very different than lobbing rockets at Beer-Sheba, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Ramat Gan. The casualties from Iran's attacks, minus one off-duty soldier, were all civilians and the targets were nowhere nea…

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Post by maskil »

frob wrote: post #868
maskil wrote: post #866

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I encourage you to read the quotes from Israeli political and social leaders in this piece: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/27/israel... > “The Gaza Strip should be flattened, and for all of them there is but one sentence, and that is death,” Yitzhak Kroizer, a member of national security minister Itamar Ben Gvir’s far-right Otzma Yehudit party, said in a radio interview. Yitzhak is a current sitti…

I just did. No question a number of these comments are completely inexcusable.

2 points:

1. A number of them, especially by more moderate voices, were made in the immediate days after Oct 7 when there was a tremendous amount of anger as a reaction to what happened.

2. The above comment and others like this were made by the extreme of the extreme right in Israel. I don't think that even Ben Gvir would utter such a thing.

Nobody with decision making powers is making any attempt to exterminate a people.

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