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Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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To be frank, it hardly seems to have helped the United States out of their current constitutional crisis. Compulsory preferential voting is a much better protection against tyrants.

> Compulsory preferential voting is a much better protection against tyrants. This guarantees worse outcomes. You will be effectively forcing people to participate that typically don't care about politics and will be ignorant of many of the issues they are voting on. The reality is that most elections are won in the same way the X-Factor, or "I'm a celebrity get me out of here". It is nothing more than a popularity c…

Absolutely not my experience coming from a country with compulsory voting, and having lived in a country without. People in the country without were generally more ignorant of their own politics, and the few people I met who understood what was going on were hesitant to vote.

Compulsory voting, and in particular compulsory preferential voting also has a highly centralising effect, which adds to long term stability.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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No, they're not intentional, they're accidents. And can be reduced by traffic laws and speed limits. Suicides (that is, guns) are intentional.

Most car "accidents" are intentional - drivers are choosing to speed (35%), drive intoxicated (30%), or scroll tiktok (15%) rather than pay attention to the road.

Interesting, all those things could be prevented using modern tech? Eg eye tracking

(Not abruptly stopping the car because looking at TikTok, but ... Fines? Limiting speed? Withdrawn license, if repeated?)

And building more railways, subways! Also creates jobs.

Edit: From where did you get the numbers? I googled for "solo car crash reason statistics",

and sleepiness seemed to be one main reason (too?)

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Thank God. People on the roads are extremely reckless and we don't do anything about it. Our highways are lawless for the most part. People can drive however they feel like it. You literally have to kill someone AND be drunk before you actually get in trouble and are locked up. If you kill someone sober though, it's totally fine under our current system. In my opinion, if you get caught driving recklessly, the punish…

Where do you live where vehicular manslaughter is not being prosecuted?

It often isn't charged when a driver is sober.

eg: https://abcnews.go.com/US/hit-run-drivers-kill-people-jail-t...

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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States can make laws all they like, but will car manufacturers actually implement this in any workable way? I bet 90% of initial implementations will be resettable back to unlimited speed with a simple factory reset or similar.

All it takes is a simple law stating that if you circumvent the speed limiter you face far more serious penalties. Done and done. Literally no different than how we handle suspended licenses.

This. Especially if you impound the vehicle and then repair it at the owner's expense.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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It should be obvious that driving substantially slower than everyone else would make you a danger to others. Try driving at the speed limit on a high way in southern NY, especially in the left lane. You will have many near accidents and the reality is that you would be the dangerous driver for not keeping pace with everyone else. Increasing the speed limit to the 85th percentile so that you do not have the few people…

>Increasing the speed limit to the 85th percentile so that you do not have the few people who actually obey it posing a hazard to others does make things safer. [citation needed] Seriously. That is a pretty bold claim that you should be able support with actual studies, if true. You have several things working against your hypothesis: - While it may be true that driving at the legal speed limit might slightly increas…

> Seriously. That is a pretty bold claim that you should be able support with actual studies, if true

The 85th percentile rule/principle has been understood for decades. Just search for information on it. You will find tons of results. Calling it a bold claim is like claiming asymptotic complexity is a bold claim. It is something that is well known, just not to you.

> It has been proven in both theoretical and practical tests that driving "all out" does not decrease travel time drastically in almost all circumstances.

Those tests do not seem relevant to highways, where it is easy to measure differences in travel time between driving at the speed of traffic and driving at the speed limit. When traffic is at 70mph and the speed limit is 55mph, keeping pace with traffic results in a 21% reduction in highway travel time. How things go when someone is ‘driving "all out"’ is not relevant here.

> Forcing people to drive slower drastically reduced the risk of collisions because people are slower and have more time to react.

A highway is not a regular road where it is stop and go based on lights. The purpose of a highway is to have a free flow of traffic such that you do not need to be continuously reacting to others. You do need to maintain a certain distance between you and the car to react in emergencies, but these are supposed to be exceptional and plenty of collisions occur when changing lanes, which would be lessened with fewer cars on the road. Cases where everyone needs to stop would also be lessened.

> You'll have to control for other factors, of course. Cars in the US are much larger and heavier than in Germany, for example. In statistics, you want to compare apples to apples, so you control for vehicle weight when trying to make observations about the impact of speed on accident severity.

Those same vehicles are legal to drive in Germany as far as I know. There is a possibility that they are popular in the U.S. because of the speed limits such that they would be less popular if the highways did not have speed limits. After all, their acceleration, braking and fuel economy are terrible. They would only be worse at autobahn speeds. The knowledge that it is legal to drive at higher speeds tends to encourage people purchasing vehicles to purchase ones that can handle higher speeds well. We could see vehicles more similar to those driven in Germany become popular if there were no speed limits and then things would naturally become apples to apples.

> True. But the same holds true for vehicle collisions. It's really basic physics. All other things being equal, faster cars have more energy. More energy = more severe accident outcomes.

There is no law of physics that dictates that such things cannot be done with greater safety than we currently have. Germany is a fantastic example of this. Germany permits speeds that would be considered hazardous by the thinking behind motor vehicle rules in the US, yet is substantially safer.

> No. There are plenty of other sources that support my views, i.e.

If I tell you what is wrong with your sources one last time, I hope you will stop posting links under the misguided hope that some random thing superficially agrees with your claims sticks. Your first link involved studies in a country where speed limits should obey the 85th percentile. The findings are not relevant to the U.S. where the 85th percentile is ignored. Even without knowing about the 85th percentile, it is obvious the applicability to other countries would depend on how similar the process for establishing the speed limit is. Your second link is behind a paywall and cannot be scrutinized, but the German autobahn likely contradicts it. Problems only occur when the distance between a vehicle and another object reaches 0. If that is avoided, the speed does not matter.

That said, it is impossible to prevent future Darwin Award recipients from earning their awards. If you insist on trying to stop them from earning rewards from motor vehicles, you might as well push for a complete ban on motor vehicles. That is the only thing that would eliminate motor vehicle fatalities.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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As a parent, these comments are always so weird to read. Kids play outside, including unsupervised still. Kids getting hit by drivers is statistically very rare (though no less tragic) Suggesting that “many” of the kids who “try” to play outside get killed by cars is the kind of conclusion you can only arrive at by living life through hyperbolic headlines or the dramatic evening news.

Having a toddler who’s a runner radicalised me. Every walk outside required a death grip.

I think I have seen in the news at least 3 separate instances where parent drove over and killed their own child in their front yard while just trying to drive out. It is like over my entire lifetime so I may made up and it was 2 or once - but I cannot forget it as I imagine such tragedy even writing about while never been nowhere close to such an event it makes me feel uneasy in my chest and stomach.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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This is correct. Laws should reflect the values of the democratic consensus, speed limits included. If almost everybody is traveling at a speed other than the posted speed limit, whether that's faster or slower, that is a strong signal that the speed limit needs to be adjusted. Speed limits should be set such that most people naturally think the limit is a sensible speed to drive anyway. As it is, speed limits are ra…

> Laws should reflect the values of the democratic consensus, speed limits included. If almost everybody is traveling at a speed other than the posted speed limit, whether that's faster or slower, that is a strong signal that the speed limit needs to be adjusted. Is democracy only for drivers?

Aren't interstates?

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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These are objectively endangered places. A highway in the middle of nowhere, with reasonably well maintained roads and even terrain however?

Sure, but the parent comment didn't leave any room for nuance or considerations, instead broadly stating: > Laws should reflect the values of the democratic consensus, speed limits included. Maybe they considered the nuance to be something obvious, but their statement is still flawed. The funny thing about nuance is that most nuance isn't visible to the naked eye and requires some degree of familiarity or expertise t…

Most people don't drive past schools at excessive speeds. The speed limit should be set such that most people are naturally inclined to drive at that speed anyway, given the context of that stretch of road, not set to the fastest speed which outlier maniacs drive at.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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> I'd presume the state would need to update its GIS record, in the meantime you'd put your hazard lights on and move over to the right lane. The problem isn't the GIS record, it's that the highway is directly adjacent to a mountain and the GPS isn't accurate enough there to distinguish between the highway and the lower speed roads near it, so they can't fix it. Or maybe they just don't care to because it's a bureauc…

> Why isn't the issue. The hurricane comes and the phones are down and you need to get the kid to the hospital before they bleed out. You're the on-call service tech for something which is going to result in human tragedy if you don't get there first. You're not even involved but a firefighter had to commandeer your vehicle. Why is definitely the issue, it's one of the first questions you might be asked when pulled o…

Additionally, since the bill proposes a minimum speed of 100 m/hr, it's a matter of determining whether the driver is likely to be found speeding over a fairly high threshold. I'm not one to judge, but if you're likely to find yourself in a position where the edge cases of how the device works matter, idk maybe sell your damn car

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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I'm much more concerned about someone going 40mph in a 25 zone than someone going 110 in a 75.

They aren’t mutually exclusive. What reason is there ever for a car to go 110?

Driving on a race track is one. The vast majority of vehicles on race tracks are/were street vehicles.
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