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What if I did something and it was written down in a book?

Books have limited print runs. Many books in libraries are only borrowed and perhaps read a few times. Niche titles more so. Books go out of print and are hard to search for arbitrary text.

But digital can also be lost. I think my point is that digital isn't a clear line in this situation

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Interesting! And in this supposed 77 year long genocide, did the population size of Palestinians decrease?

That’s a terrible argument. Palestinians have fled. Nakba happened. Refugees increased. So did the population go down? yes. The population shifted to safer places. And then they are getting bombed there too.

People fleeing a conflict isn't genocide. And no, the population did not decrease! You can literally look this up. "Moving 5 miles away" is not an overall group population decrease; here is a graph of the population of Israelis and Palestinians respectively: https://www.statista.com/chart/20645/palestine-and-israel-po...

As you can see, it's been up and to the right this whole time, for both groups.

Unless you think that India and Pakistan have been committing genocide against each other for the last 78 years, neither Israel nor Palestine have been committing genocide against each other for the past 77 years. They had a land dispute, which Israel agreed to split via the U.N. partition plan, and which the Palestinians rejected in favor of a war which they subsequently lost. Just like the current war, in which you passively claim they're "getting bombed," as if nothing had happened to trigger the war — in fact, the government of Gaza (Hamas) invaded Israel, killed over a thousand people and took hundreds of hostages, including civilians, sparking a war in which Gaza has now gotten bombed.

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How so? The plane didn't turn around, Trump still has numerous supporters so the public doesn't care, and none of his admin has been punished.

Last time I saw, the entire Supreme Court was requesting that the Executive return people, what means punishment may be a couple of weeks away. It may not happen, but it's not a given right now.

who would execute the punishment for disobeying the supreme court?

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> Opposing the support for another foreign nation's genocide is not a support of terrorism? It is in Germany and also in the USA. It doesn't matter whether you agree with the government on this point or not, because the government are the ones with the legal right to lock you up.

it isn't, but the government in one of those countries has demonstrated a desire and willingness to arrest people on arbitrary pretexts and make them suffer while they try to free themselves from a kafkaesque nightmare regardless of what is true or legal

please don't falsely conflate opposition to the ongoing genocide of palestinians, with support for hamas

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> it could be tricky for pro-palestinians because they can fall easily into the trap of using party slogans used by proscribed organisations Any excuse is good when you have power and want to justify repression. For example they tried to claim that the slogan "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" is genocidal . Quite a jump. (Meanwhile, the Likud's platform says "from the river to the sea there will be o…

> they tried to claim that the slogan "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" is genocidal. There is no other meaning. The slogan is a call to kill every single Israeli. That is literally what it means. Where will the israelis be when palestine is free from the river to the see? The hamas charter still to this day calls to kill every single israeli. This is the problem. You yourself dont even know what it…

It is interesting that you disregard the sentence following it.

And Hamas 2017 charter does not hace that language

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Still not sure what you mention. Hard to say that Israelis don't grovel to whatever tyrant comes next when they are currently ruled by a tyrant who would rather endanger his citizens and commit war crimes than gold and election he knows he'll lose. Also they have elected him over and over again despite how he endangers them and funded their current biggest enemy Hamas, in a cynical ploy to weaken his more moderate op…

I understand, but I don't perceive them as tyrants in the "Russian" sense. That’s not to excuse anything, of course. There’s this strange tendency among Russians to almost embrace suffering—and to try to drag everyone else down with them. It’s as if it doesn’t matter that they live in poverty or that their country is ravaged by oligarchs and mafia. What matters is that Russia is big and strong. That seems to be their…

Yeah unfortunately we thought the end of history would be the global spread of liberal democracies, but it's the global spread of this kind of stuff instead

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> they tried to claim that the slogan "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" is genocidal. There is no other meaning. The slogan is a call to kill every single Israeli. That is literally what it means. Where will the israelis be when palestine is free from the river to the see? The hamas charter still to this day calls to kill every single israeli. This is the problem. You yourself dont even know what it…

It is interesting that you disregard the sentence following it. And Hamas 2017 charter does not hace that language

> Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine.

Straight from the 2017 version, calling for the genocide of israelis. I think the israeli version of the slogan is genocidal too, as I said originally.

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post #582

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It's a conspiracy theory. Plenty of Israeli citizens support Palestinian rights and are opposed to what their government is doing. The guilt by association leads to things like antisemitism and anti-Palestinian hate and all the rest.

In what way is this a conspiracy theory or guilt by association? I don't think it is. (Except maybe the statement that he's an Israel citizen, though I think in this context it's a legit statement to make.) The parent post explicitly makes two separate statements - 1. that he's an Israeli citizen, and 2. that he has questionable morals. I don't necessarily agree with the second statement, but it's explicitly not sayi…

> In what way is this a conspiracy theory or guilt by association? I don't think it is. (Except maybe the statement that he's an Israel citizen, though I think in this context it's a legit statement to make.)

Yes, the Israeli citizen comment. Obviously the comment is meant to criticize Rosen. Being an Israeli citizen is only a criticism by some conspiracy theory or guilt by association.

Currently the GGP comment says, "with a strong pro-Israel bias". I don't think it was there when I commented or I wouldn't have said what I said.

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The Palestinian people should unilaterally disarm and trust Israel's good faith? Trust the world to protect them? You are asking for a lot.

Violent resistance isn't a successful strategy at this point because the Axis of Evil has already won. The correct strategy is to take the moral high ground with nonviolent, peaceful, moral courage in forums other than where there are snipers. It will be risky but the same-old, same-old isn't working. Violence doesn't win political credibility when you're extremely weak, and not in control of the media narrative to m…

> the Axis of Evil has already won

That's what the Axis of Evil says and actively tries to convey: inevitability, despair, etc. It's basic propaganda.

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