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Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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Imho, and as a xoogler who's been in Google Cloud's ecosystem the past few years, Google Cloud's three big focus areas have been AI (this is an evolution from their historical focus on data, then also analytics), Distributed Cloud (Anthos++) and security (post the Mandiant acquisition). They'll never be able to compete on base infra, given their late entry into the game, lack of presence in certain markets, and the l…

> a way for Google to secure a beachhead in half the Fortune 100 If that is their objective, they will fail again, since this is the land of good account management. Being able to call somebody on the phone if required. Something AWS excels on, Microsoft a little bit, while Google is rumored to have humans working there, but they are rarely seen.

Why do you think some of the largest companies are using GCP though? If there customer support is really that atrocious, what is the explanation?

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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I struggle to see the issue here. Your perspective remains extremely polarized, regardless of the individual involved. You fail to grasp the conflict’s complexity and, as a result, demonize everyone associated with it. Just because someone joins the Israeli army doesn’t mean they endorse every action taken by Israel; They enlist because they understand that, Israel being such a small country won't exist without an ar…

Maybe if you explained that supposed complexity and didn't stop at an ad hominem argument your first parapgraph might have had some weight, but you didn't. There is very little complexity to the "conflict". A political movement supported by antisemites wanting to get rid of jews at home established a state through displacement and eradication of the indigenous population. This state has continued applying these kinds…

You literally went after someone just because they’re Israeli-could be my friend, coworker, or even me. If you single someone out like that, don’t be shocked when you get called out in return. And honestly, I’m not convinced my previous comment even counts as a real ad hominem-though sure, if it makes you feel better, let’s call it that.

But let's get one thing straight: calling the Arabs in Israel/Palestine "indigenous" while dismissing the Jewish people’s claim to that land is laughable. The very name "Jew" comes from Judea—this same strip of land-where Jewish history stretches back millennia. I’m not saying Arab families who lived there never had rights; of course, they deserve their own country too. But the idea that they’re the only "indigenous" group is just another cheap piece of propaganda, right up there with labeling the whole situation as "genocide" or "apartheid". People have moved in and out of Israel/Judea for centuries. Plenty of folks calling themselves Palestinian today came around the same time as the Zionists or later-just look at the family names that point to places like Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and beyond Al-Baghdadi, Al-Masri (the Egyptian), Halabi (Haleb = Allepo, Syria), Hourani (from Houran in southern Syria), Tzurani (from Tyre in southern Lebanon), Hijazi (from the Hijaz province of the Arabian peninsula), Mughrabi (from the Maghreb). Hell, Arafat was born in Egypt.

My basic point is this: both sides do actually have claims. But one side made it pretty clear they weren’t interested in compromise and resorted to terror against civilians, starting way back in the ‘60s. Naturally, the other side fought back, and things escalated.

As for calling Israeli society "chauvinist", give me a break. Israel had a female prime minister in the ’70s, has had women on its Supreme Court since forever, and meanwhile the U.S. is still waiting on its first female president. So, yeah-save the grandstanding about "chauvinism". It’s not as black-and-white as you’re painting it, and if you’re going to throw punches, don’t whine when you get punched back.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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When you use a cloud provider to setup a VM, what policies do you apply to it in order to ensure it’s secure? Wiz and other tools in the same space tell you and tracks compliance across your fleet. Idk if wiz does this, but their competitors have “compliance packs” which are preset compliance patterns, IE hipaa, finra, etc. That way you click a button and it tells you every change you need to make to be compliant Edi…

You are telling me it’s a huge excel sheet with all my cloud resources (some colored red) in?

Yes?

They have other capabilities, but that’s the primary value add.

Imagine you are working for a fortune 100 company with hundreds of thousands of cloud resources. You can’t manage them individually.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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> Microsoft is the Microsoft of the enterprise security market, more or less. They completely dominate email, largely dominate identity, have a plurality if not a majority on endpoint, but don't compete in network. The most recent figures I’ve seen are that Microsoft has around 25% of the endpoint market[0], which is a plurality because the market is so fragmented. Proofpoint claims around 24% of the email security m…

> Proofpoint claims around 24% of the email security market Proofpoint is the clear number two, but Microsoft always sits behind Proofpoint (and Mimecast, IronPort, etc.). They're also always in front of Abnormal and other API-only options. Every big company has E5 with Defender for Office 365 on their email, and the rest either still have E5 or they have EOP. > That’s one interpretation of events. In 2017 EPP and ED…

You like to make absolute statements like “always”, but I know of large organizations (Fortune 500) that use Proofpoint, but not Microsoft email security. And in endpoint, there are shops that license defender as part of an EA, but don’t use it - of course, those seats go into the Forrester figures that Microsoft likes to tout.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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This seems like a silly and ridiculous acquisition. Surely for $32 billion almost any security technology could be replicated? You could hire several thousand best in class engineers and build whatever Wiz has in house… buying this almost makes it seem like Google has no idea how to build new innovative products, which I guess a lot of people already think. For Instagram and WhatsApp it was the user base and growth t…

For $32B Google are buying Wiz's brand, existing customers and their pipeline of customers, along with the technology.

If they want the customers, they should have to compete for them. Google shouldn't be allowed to acquire any companies. They're already huge.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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Security is a big field. I’m in the CSPM space and Wiz is a major player here, I actually had a bit of an existential crisis about what we were building when I first saw a demo of their platform. Most of their competitors, like Palo Alto, have a very convoluted offering from gluing together several acquisitions. Wiz is very cohesive with a much nicer API and great UX, which is very underrated in the security space im…

> Wiz is very cohesive with a much nicer API and great UX I actually don't care for Wiz's UX. If you're a manager and just want to get an idea of what your security posture looks like, it's great. They have a million dashboards for you. But if you're an AppSec Engineer that just wants to see which EC2 instances have which CVEs, it's kind of a pain in the pass and takes way too many clicks.

How would you like to consume that information?

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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That hasn't stopped them before. Fitbit and Nest, for example. Granted, this is an order of magnitude more money to waste. Maybe they'll come up with a better strategy this time.

Neither of those are enterprise products, though. Looker, as a better comparison, is still available on AWS and Azure.

Google doesn't have a strong record keeping enterprise products around either. I would expect them to absorb this product, release a similar product based on the technology but fully integrated, then sunset Wiz asap.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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> a way for Google to secure a beachhead in half the Fortune 100 If that is their objective, they will fail again, since this is the land of good account management. Being able to call somebody on the phone if required. Something AWS excels on, Microsoft a little bit, while Google is rumored to have humans working there, but they are rarely seen.

Why do you think some of the largest companies are using GCP though? If there customer support is really that atrocious, what is the explanation?

Inertia

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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Security is a big field. I’m in the CSPM space and Wiz is a major player here, I actually had a bit of an existential crisis about what we were building when I first saw a demo of their platform. Most of their competitors, like Palo Alto, have a very convoluted offering from gluing together several acquisitions. Wiz is very cohesive with a much nicer API and great UX, which is very underrated in the security space im…

> Wiz is very cohesive with a much nicer API and great UX I actually don't care for Wiz's UX. If you're a manager and just want to get an idea of what your security posture looks like, it's great. They have a million dashboards for you. But if you're an AppSec Engineer that just wants to see which EC2 instances have which CVEs, it's kind of a pain in the pass and takes way too many clicks.

> and takes way too many clicks.

That is the space

The performance matters much less than the UI

And the UI sucks because if you know what your doing you can type a command

But the people who write the cheques do not know that, and equate UI with GUI

So we get Azure (where I found this)

Squinting mousing and clicking a dozen times to do the equivalent of one rsync command....

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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Yeah, read a lot of H1B discussions here. Racism is seething.

Yes because people are losing their jobs or not getting the chance. YES, the selection pool being only my country favours ME. Are we CLEAR? Are we supposed to sit and take it?

Geezer, you are not even American, you know nothing about H1B. Stay back where you belong and don't tell us whom to favor.
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