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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by rightbyte »

arandomusername wrote: post #828
dlahoda wrote: post #825

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> Ukraine is kidnapping people on the streets to send them to the front lines. may you expand on this?

There are many videos on twitter if you'd like to see recorded examples. But basically, TCC is the recruitment office in Ukraine, and they will pull up in unmarked vans and grab and force them into a van. Here's an article about it: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/28/ukrainian-... A decent video example (ignore the text): https://x.com/East_Calling/status/1896019613198270859 - there's many more. It's a…

It is quite astonishing there isn't more critique of those methods. That in combination with closing the border for men.

It is very authoritarian.

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Post by tristan957 »

egberts1 wrote: post #602
myvoiceismypass wrote: post #414

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> But curious, is Zelensky using the pretense of war to stay in power? See this from just a week ago: "Zelenskyy offers to resign in exchange for peace, NATO entry" https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-offer-re...

It is a challenge to conduct an election during war. Never forget: 1) Zelensky sat quietly while Democrats tried to impeach Trump the first time. Zelensky alone could have put an end to that sham impeachment. 2) Zelensky actively campaign against Donald Trump for the Democrats. 3) One of Zelinsky’s radicalized zealots tried to kill Donald Trump. Then Zelensky reneges on the mineral deal because it doesn’t continue th…

What exactly was a sham about Trump's multiple impeachments?

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Post by CapricornNoble »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #724
arbitrary_name wrote: post #677

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Europe is far more dependent on oil for industry and manufacturing than for simply transport. The high energy prices are killing the German manufacturing sector, while cheap Chinese imports will crush the domestic auto industry. Terrible double blow that is enabling far right politics and populism.

> Europe is far more dependent on oil for industry and manufacturing than for simply transport. If you take personal vehicle transport needs out, they still need oil yes, but a lot less. They also have plenty of resources (e.g. Norwegian Hydro, French Nuclear, even German coal) that they can bring to bear on energy pricing. China is really smart for pushing themselves off of oil dependence. Yes, someone on the spectr…

> As for German car manufacturers...I already drive a German EV (made in Germany as well) so I'm not sure what the big deal is about.

Sean Foo has numerous videos discussing the German economy and Chinese EVs. Here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jFsR-gm8nk

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Post by giardini »

gershy wrote: post #626
DidYaWipe wrote: post #88

The USA stands in miserable disgrace.

I'm not sure what to think. Ukraine can't militarily defeat russia or reclaim its lost territory, and as long as it continues to try to do so, there will be war and the world will be less stable. But if a line is not drawn against russia, I think we have every reason to believe putin will continue to conquer more land over time. Russia is the source of instability, but it can't be defeated or reasoned with. What to d…

We've burned up Russia's military equipment, we've killed and wounded thousands of Russian soldiers, all ostensibly w/o sending a single USA soldier into combat. The neocons have drained off Russia's conventional firepower and male population for a generation by merely poking the bear repeatedly. The Russians can claim victory but it was a Pyrrhic victory.

Russia is now militarily a hollow shell, except for nukes. They're like North Korea but they eat better (they always did, though). Neither of those nations could engage the USA in a conventional conflict for longer than a half hour. This is sometimes termed "victory" or "success", and I don't think its a bad outcome.

Of course you can imagine fairy tales where the Russians are abjectly defeated and humiliated and such fairy tales would give you more happy Social Media discussions. But such viewpoints also cause multi-generational problems in peoples of Slavic mindsets who view history as a list of wrongs against their ancestors going back centuries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

https://www.belfercenter.org/research-analysis/3-years-later...

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Post by ellis0n »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #546
csomar wrote: post #84

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You are focusing on the wrong things. You need to leave immediately (and take your family if you can). If you can't leave the country try going nearby the Polish border.

Can you imagine being down voted for trying to save his life? Wealthy and fat SWE's want him to risk his life for virtue or something.

I think my text is disliked by the aggressors, while other good people simply don't see it. I think I'll write a book when all of this is over.

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Post by spaethnl »

rightbyte wrote: post #861
arandomusername wrote: post #828

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There are many videos on twitter if you'd like to see recorded examples. But basically, TCC is the recruitment office in Ukraine, and they will pull up in unmarked vans and grab and force them into a van. Here's an article about it: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/28/ukrainian-... A decent video example (ignore the text): https://x.com/East_Calling/status/1896019613198270859 - there's many more. It's a…

It is quite astonishing there isn't more critique of those methods. That in combination with closing the border for men. It is very authoritarian.

What you are saying is Russian propaganda.

Nearly every country that has been attacked has forced conscription. The US did during WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and we weren't even attacked in 3 of those.

Were we authoritarian then?

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Post by giardini »

csdreamer7 wrote: post #723
gershy wrote: post #626

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what to think. Ukraine can't militarily defeat russia or reclaim its lost territory, and as long as it continues to try to do so, there will be war and the world will be less stable. But if a line is not drawn against russia, I think we have every reason to believe putin will continue to conquer more land over time. Russia is the source of instability, but it can't be defeated or reasoned with. What to d…

> Russia is the source of instability, but it can't be defeated or reasoned with. What to do? Russia can be easily defeated; especially at this point. Their armies are demoralized, their equipment is terrible (they are using donkeys), and their budget is running out. The only reason they do not crumble is their sheer size against Ukraine. They would easily be wiped out by a more modern western military. Conservatives…

...their equipment is terrible (they are using donkeys)...

I protest: donkeys are NOT terrible!

In fact donkeys are absolutely one of the best means of transport in the Ukraine conflict: donkeys maintain themselves, are loyal to their trainers and are reliable. If you allow them to guide themselves, they will almost always move you away from regions of conflict (i.e., they are self-guided and smart).

Furthermore donkeys are by their nature not instruments of war: there are no "attack donkeys" in this or other conflicts. Donkeys are animals of peace.

Free a donkey today: send cash to

Free the Donkeys

123-rt45 Doskilvi via

Kyiv, UKRAINE 79013

(just kidding, but wish I weren't)

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Post by joe_the_user »

xg15 wrote: post #392
aemu wrote: post #210

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Yeah, man. I have emigrated from Russia to EU five years ago and it is heartbreaking to see the developed US and some European countries go through the same bullshit we were going since 2011. Like half the country starts living in wild, completely imaginary world, and you can always tell what is the current agenda of the propaganda machine just by talking to some relatives who fell through that rabbit hole

It's definitely been more than three weeks. As someone who lives in the EU and has the same kind of relatives, what I find frustrating is how little actual engagement with the Russian narratives there is from official sides. There is presented "evidence" for US influence in Ukraine long before the war, like the Victoria Nuland video, yet there seems to be no attempts at debunking those arguments, short of a catch-all…

Well, in "real politics" terms, the Russian narrative becomes "we stole this fair and square - we conquered this much territory, it has historically been ours, so you should make a treaty giving us this and we're done" whereas the Ukraine's narrative is basically "Russia holding that territory is unjust and fundamentally violates the democratic aspirations of the people there, so we need X many years of war and X thousand dead to regain that land".

Which is to say Ukrainian narrative is hard to embrace unless someone is already energized by a need for justice to nations, which might not be certain segment of America.

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Post by ImJamal »

ModernMech wrote: post #855
ImJamal wrote: post #533

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Plenty of countries have held elections during war, including war in their country. The US (civil war), Iraq and Afghanistan during the US occupation, Japan (WW2), etc. I know it can be a challenge, but it has been done.

Why does it have to be done? I haven't read the Constitution, but if what the other poster says is true about it saying that elections cannot be held during war, then isn't that the end of it?

The Ukrainian constitution does not allow elections during war, but that is not what I was responding to. The post I was replying to was asking how an election could be held during a war. I was just pointing out that it has been done in the 1800s, 1900s, and 2000s.

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Post by bluSCALE4 »

giardini wrote: post #860
swat535 wrote: post #858

History has a way of repeating itself. Sometimes I wonder if I am the only one who feels like world peace has been unraveling for decades, slowly reaching a breaking point? I don't know what happens when the U.S. eventually pulls out of NATO, a scenario that seems more possible than ever based on the actions of the current Administration. Will Europe be able to stand its ground against Russia and China? We now have w…

NATO was created to counter the Soviet Union but after the USSR fell apart, NATO did not disband. Instead Europeans hired the USA for their defense. The USA enjoyed the status and power of being the dominant military force in Europe. Unfortunately "entangling alliances" such as NATO tend to draw us into remote conflicts where we have nothing to gain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Doctrine_of_Unstabl...

It blows my mind at how so many people think this is unprovoked and think we somehow have a responsibility to resolve this conflict.
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