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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by awb »

sergers wrote: post #736

Remember team america, world police... How everyone in the world wanted usa to stay out of other countries 20 years ago... https://youtu.be/LasrD6SZkZk?si=qbP5t6WNVY7hq0p9 Seams alot of people want to bring that back.

There was broad bi-partisan support for the first Gulf War (response to Iraq invading Kuwait) and the war in Afghanistan (response to 9/11).

The broader dissent started to come after the invasion of Iraq (based on the notion of Iraqi WMDs) and the lack of progress in Afghanistan or finding Bin Laden.

Foreign policy under different Presidents is often contradictory and as in any political context, the President usually has some base of support from their own party no matter how far off script they go, simply out of unity or fear of the alternative party benefiting from a lack of unity.

So while a coherent policy of “The US should intervene in all conflicts or no conflicts” would be intellectually consistent, the circumstances surrounding the conflict and the political environment lead to inconsistencies.

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Post by amluto »

Animats wrote: post #387

On the minerals front, the US doesn't need anything from Ukraine. Most of the minerals mentioned, except titanium, are un-mined deposits. Or things the US has plenty of already, such as oil, natural gas, coal, and iron. Here's a rundown: - Rare earths: I've mentioned the MP Minerals, Mountain Pass, CA mine before. The US doesn't have enough rare earth refining capability, and China won't export the technology. So US…

Titanium is an odd duck here IMO. Titanium is abundant in the Earth’s crust, and titanium ore is fairly inexpensive. We use the ore for all kinds of unglamorous things, e.g. paint. The hard part is turning that ore into nice pieces of metal —- the process is complicated and expensive. While China produces an outsized share of titanium ore, the US has some large-scale operations that turn titanium ore into metal. As far as I know, the only real limit on our domestic production is demand, and demand is limited because the prices are far too high for most applications.

I recall various sources saying that we’re just about to have a revolution in titanium processing, kind of like how aluminum went from being more expensive than gold to being cheap. It hasn’t happened yet, and I wish Iperion luck!

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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basisword wrote: post #389

If European leaders don't watch this and realise they need to take control of their own destiny they're idiots. Several European leaders visited this week bending the knee to try and stave off tariffs. Time to stand up, realise the US is no longer a reliable ally, and start building (on all fronts - military, manufacturing, tech, etc). Given the American people voted for this guy twice - the second time in spite of J…

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

tehjoker wrote: post #105

Thank god that finally we're going to stop sending hundreds of thousands of men into a meat grinder for no purpose. Ofc, Trump is doing this in great part because he personally hates Zelensky and Biden. He's doing what he did to Obama and just unwinding everything his predecessor did. He also correctly ascertains that this is a huge waste of money that is counterproductive. All the liberal cold warriors that wanted t…

The US was helping Ukraine because they were fighting against Russia. It was a proxy war in the US's interest.

Withdrawing from it, therefore, by prior US foreign policy, would be against US interests.

We'll find out eventually.

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Post by drysine »

basisword wrote: post #389

If European leaders don't watch this and realise they need to take control of their own destiny they're idiots. Several European leaders visited this week bending the knee to try and stave off tariffs. Time to stand up, realise the US is no longer a reliable ally, and start building (on all fronts - military, manufacturing, tech, etc). Given the American people voted for this guy twice - the second time in spite of J…

>they need to take control of their own destiny

They could've understood this in 2014 when Nuland said "Fuck the EU"[0], and the US pressed on with the coup in the Ukraine setting off the chain of events that has led us all to where we are now.

>Given the American people voted for this guy twice

American people voted twice for George W. Bush, the second time after the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003. This might have given a hint.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by [deleted] »

scop wrote: post #228

Well, here come the downvotes, but for anybody who thinks that it is completely believable that Trump is a Russian stooge or is “on Russias side” let me offer this up: - We want peace. Full stop. No more dead men, women, and children. THAT IS THE GOAL. CONTEXT: - Trump armed Ukraine to the teeth in first term, providing lethal aid which previous presidents did not do. He wanted to deter Putin while not also escalatin…

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Post by bgnn »

biomcgary wrote: post #405

George Washington's farewell address (1796) - on Europe: The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation…

So, supporting far right in all EU countries and being friends with Putin is what Washington is saying what US should do?

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Post by Paradigma11 »

There is a pretty good chance this set off the countdown to a war in Asia. Japan, SK, Taiwan, Philippines..... now KNOW that they cant rely on the US as an ally which means their only chance against Chinese hegemony is a nuclear weapon. Given that that will take some years while a weak US president is at the helm this is the window for China to invade Taiwan.
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