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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by olyjohn »

Mistletoe wrote: post #726
lenkite wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Confused. What do Firefox's terms of service have to do with puritanism ? Have Firefox developers become puritanist or something ? That would be extremely surprising if true. Any evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) to this ?

"You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that includes graphic depictions of sexuality“

When I run Transmission, it also says "don't use this for piracy." Of course people are gonna pirate with it. It's just to cover their asses.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by osmsucks »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #381
userbinator wrote: post #151

The other WTF is here: Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations. Acceptable Use Policy links to https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/ which says "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that…

> I recommend switching to an alternative browser which is only a browser, like Dillo, Ladybird, or Netsurf. Did not know any of those alternatives thanks for sharing. After a quick online search, I see they could work for casual browsing and it's great that they don't rely on Chromium But do you think these can be a full browser replacement without extension ecosystems like ublock origin et al.?

Firefox was the last bastion of freedom on the internet and the replacements aren't ready.

> But do you think these can be a full browser replacement without extension ecosystems like ublock origin et al.?

I'm now actually trying to use qutebrowser as a replacement... it's not easy due to the lack of extensions, but mitigating factors are:

1. it has integrated adblock (though no cosmetic filtering) 2. there are userscripts to integrate with the Bitwarden CLI or a running instance of KeepassXC.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by knowitnone »

justinclift wrote: post #531
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I recommend switching to an alternative browser which is only a browser, like Dillo, Ladybird, or Netsurf. Did not know any of those alternatives thanks for sharing. After a quick online search, I see they could work for casual browsing and it's great that they don't rely on Chromium But do you think these can be a full browser replacement without extension ecosystems like ublock origin et al.?

If you're on macOS, then Kagi's Orion seems good: https://kagi.com/orion It's been working fine for me anyway.

interesting they have resources to build a browser. also interesting (and sad) they focus on Apple and not Windows. Hopefull, they'll port it to Windows and Linux.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by knowitnone »

haswell wrote: post #856
wyclif wrote: post #811

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Dillo is only sporadically developed. They even lost control of the dillo.org domain a long time ago, which pretty much spells amateur hour. Ladybird would be a better choice, but it's not even fully baked yet. Coming sometime in 2026, supposedly. I'd recommend the Brave browser for people concerned about recent bad news from Mozilla.

There are also Firefox forks such as WaterFox, LibreWolf and Floorp. These seem like a more direct migration path for someone wanting to move off of Firefox.

I'm using LibreWolf for a few days. Only annoyance I've found is zooming in on a site(HN) does not stick. I'm pretty sure I don't have to zoom all the time on Firefox or Chrome.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by knowitnone »

kevingadd wrote: post #169
userbinator wrote: post #151

The other WTF is here: Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations. Acceptable Use Policy links to https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/ which says "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that…

Firefox-the-browser isn't a service, it's a product. Their services are things like profile syncing. It makes sense to me that they wouldn't want content on their servers that they could get in legal trouble for hosting.

I agree with you but I'm jumping ship because it is not worth it for me to stick with Mozilla.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by salemh »

Mistletoe wrote: post #155
userbinator wrote: post #151

The other WTF is here: Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations. Acceptable Use Policy links to https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/ which says "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that…

We are under an attack by Puritanism that is quite astounding actually. And no one is doing anything. Everyone just keeps bending the knee. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1hqqpbt/newest_ver... Some of the things that are happening are just from the threat of “something bad might come down from the new administration”. It’s so ridiculous.

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by immibis »

spacechild1 wrote: post #802
bad_user wrote: post #293

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Comments such as yours are missing the point. Mozilla's ToS applies for Firefox's use, and this is literally written by Mozilla themselves: “Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy” There's no distinction between the browser and Mozilla's online services here. --- And even if it were referring only to features such as “profile syncing” (and it doesn't refer only to that), does this mean that p…

How do you square this with the following: > Mozilla software is made available to you under the terms of the Mozilla Public License 2, a free software license, which gives you the right to run the program for any purpose, to study how it works, to give copies to your friends and to modify it to meet your needs better. There is no separate End User License Agreement (EULA). https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/e…

That's for the court to decide, when you sue Mozilla for remotely bricking your browser.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by Evidlo »

jimjimwii wrote: post #370

> You agree to indemnify and hold Mozilla and its affiliates harmless for any liability or claim from your use of Firefox, to the extent permitted by applicable law. Yikes. Good thing i was never informed or agreed to this nonsense.

Isn't limitation of liability part of virtually every open source license?

From MIT license:

> IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.

From GPLv3 license:

> ... IN NO EVENT UNLESS REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW OR AGREED TO IN WRITING WILL ANY COPYRIGHT HOLDER, OR ANY OTHER PARTY WHO MODIFIES AND/OR CONVEYS THE PROGRAM AS PERMITTED ABOVE, BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR DAMAGES, INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE PROGRAM ...

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by anticensor »

ykonstant wrote: post #22
tomwphillips wrote: post #7

>You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you i…

This is bonkers, utter insanity. Read defensively (which is the only safe way to read legal text), this renders Firefox unsuitable for any sensitive communication: prima facie, accepting this means I violate FERPA when I talk to my students via email through Firefox. Most likely health professionals would violate HIPAA by using Firefox in a similar manner. Furthermore, this has to violate at least the spirit of GDPR…

Unbranded forks of Firefox are not covered by that terms of service document.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by olyjohn »

nusl wrote: post #798
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #740

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I generally wait before jumping on the outrage-train for this reason, but two things stand out: - Mozilla explicitly deleting "we don't sell your data" statements across their documentation - Following up to criticism that the statement is vague, bullshitty and open to interpretation with statements that are even more vague, bullshitty and open to interpretation. By now, they've had time to notice that something is n…

They didn't delete it. Go to the github diff they reference and check. It's still there. They just removed it from one of the JSON files but people here aren't actually checking facts, they're just jumping on the hate train. See: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b...

People love to hate Firefox. Reinforces their reasons for using the shiny big brands.
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