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U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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This is so disheartening. I thought we were making progress in the anti-surveillance privacy narrative, but this says otherwise. As a UK citizen, is there anything I can do to dissuade this? edit: typo

> As a UK citizen, is there anything I can do to dissuade this? If you voted for this Tory-lite government, then you can stop voting for any future Tory-lite governments. If you did not, there's not much you can do in practice without devoting your life to it.

"Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos"

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I don't think the UK government would try to put Apple out of business if they don't comply it's more likely that they would just get heavily fined until they do so. The most likely outcome, I would guess, is that Apple just stop offering Advanced Data Protection as a service in the UK rather than create some kind of backdoor. It's a weak proposition from the government because anyone with something to hide will just…

What is up with the UK? I have always loved my British friends and appreciated England’s history (setting aside their brutality during the British Empire). I just don’t understand where they went wrong on curtailing free speech rights of their citizens, privacy rights, etc. I just hope we in the USA don’t follow their lead. Democracies without free speech and privacy are not really democracies.

UK probably went wrong when they left the EU, which since then has done some work on data protection laws. Leaving the EU will probably turn out a mistake, but they could have, in some areas made it a positive thing. They could have made even stronger data protection and privacy laws for their citizen. They could have enforced them more than the EU enforces GDPR. These things do not happen because of uninformed and corrupt politicians. Trade is of course another area, where they could have tried to ensure, that they stick to EU quality and safety controls, to avoid lots of drama and headache. But it was difficult anyway, because if you stick to all things EU, then why leave in the first place? They would have to uphold standards and improve upon them, while being in a weaker position to negotiate with outside of EU partners.

Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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I don't think the UK government would try to put Apple out of business if they don't comply it's more likely that they would just get heavily fined until they do so. The most likely outcome, I would guess, is that Apple just stop offering Advanced Data Protection as a service in the UK rather than create some kind of backdoor. It's a weak proposition from the government because anyone with something to hide will just…

What is up with the UK? I have always loved my British friends and appreciated England’s history (setting aside their brutality during the British Empire). I just don’t understand where they went wrong on curtailing free speech rights of their citizens, privacy rights, etc. I just hope we in the USA don’t follow their lead. Democracies without free speech and privacy are not really democracies.

We're governed by the most technically inept people possible.

The Peter Principle writ large.

I'm pretty sure there was a story on here recently when UKGOV / GCHQ were recruiting for a 'senior something something tech/developer/code breaker', offering about the same as a typical entry-level graduate job.

Sell off ARM to foreign interests? Check.

Tell AI data centres where they must be built? Check.

Various inept age checking and backdoor access plans? Check.

That's where the UK is.

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Given that privacy is why my friends and I have iPhones, Apple will lose a lot of users and developers if they go back on privacy in any way.

Linux based smartphones will sell like crazy at that point.

That’s the utopia that I want to live in lol but in reality, I think GrapheneOS will pick up more users.

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Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/538/

As I responded in a sibling comment, that is true when you are being targeted: for blanket surveillance of innocent citizens, it will work wonders. The problem with just doing encryption is that it can be made illegal and it's obvious when you are using it with a cloud platform. The same is true for steganography (you can make it illegal), but someone would have to know you are using it to apply the same tactic.

Oh absolutely, I once saw research exploring how terrorist groups were using World of Warcraft emotes as their steganography and I show my students how to do simple least significant bit hiding when I teach them about image processing.

Unless you know for a fact someone is using hidden communication its near impossible to discern in the wild.

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No right to be mean on social media, too.

Who defines what is mean? Oh yes, some unelected bureaucrat

Typically this is judges.

I’m not sure how accountability for the justice service would increase by adding more politics into the mix.

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As far as I know they haven’t started murdering political opponents yet, so that’s something. But I take your point, the UK is today not a serious country for a variety of reasons.

Are there really any political opponents any more? Al the parties that matter are either explicitly in favour of these ideas or at least behave as though they are.

Given Jeremy Corbyn and Nigel Farage are in the same elected chamber, I’d be interested in what you think you mean by “political opponent”

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What is up with the UK? I have always loved my British friends and appreciated England’s history (setting aside their brutality during the British Empire). I just don’t understand where they went wrong on curtailing free speech rights of their citizens, privacy rights, etc. I just hope we in the USA don’t follow their lead. Democracies without free speech and privacy are not really democracies.

We're governed by the most technically inept people possible. The Peter Principle writ large. I'm pretty sure there was a story on here recently when UKGOV / GCHQ were recruiting for a 'senior something something tech/developer/code breaker', offering about the same as a typical entry-level graduate job. Sell off ARM to foreign interests? Check. Tell AI data centres where they must be built? Check. Various inept age…

So at least we don't have to worry about anything. Apple can give them access to LLM generated SQLite rows and call it a day. Nobody would notice.

Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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post #107

This is so disheartening. I thought we were making progress in the anti-surveillance privacy narrative, but this says otherwise. As a UK citizen, is there anything I can do to dissuade this? edit: typo

> As a UK citizen, is there anything I can do to dissuade this? If you voted for this Tory-lite government, then you can stop voting for any future Tory-lite governments. If you did not, there's not much you can do in practice without devoting your life to it.

The government is a reflection of the people. It might not be perfect, but if 80% of the country didn’t want this type of surveillance we wouldn’t see any government pushing it.

You have to change the view of the country as a whole, and for generations the U.K. has been a country of curtain twitchers.

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