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Re: Apple Invites

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Post by jkman »

StressedDev wrote: post #677
pkamb wrote: post #377

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In the USA, someone insisting on using an Android when everyone else in their social circle has an iPhone (and they do!) is what's seen as anti-social. No one wants to use the degraded green bubble SMS experience so they simply exclude the Android user and continue using blue bubble iMessage.

I have never ever seen this. If your "friends" treat you badly because of your phone choice, they are not really your friends. Also, iMessage is not that great. It's nice but it is not amazing like some people make it out to be.

I totally agree with you, but it's pretty obvious why this behaviour exists. At the end of the day, a cell phone is as much a status symbol, something akin to the clothes you wear, as much as it is an actual phone. Would you potentially lower your opinion of someone wearing a strange piece of clothing? The principle is exactly the same.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by jccalhoun »

Even though they have a web version for us lowly android scum, if I got one of these it would be very hard for me not to give the person a hard time for using this.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by Our_Benefactors »

rchaud wrote: post #850
Schiendelman wrote: post #570

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It has. Apple escaped this cycle. Their software is great. Instead of you being the product, you buy the product. People then just complain the product is expensive. On this website, I roll my eyes.

Apple stuff has always been expensive, and never once has Apple justified raising the price because they're 'privacy friendly'. Apple has a multi-billion dollar ads business. You are still the product, even if the execution isn't as brazenly anti-consumer as Google and Facebook.

> never once has Apple justified raising the price because they're 'privacy friendly'.

No, but they have made privacy a key selling point of their platform and communicated that clearly to customers.

Just because they never have formally stated “oh and by the way this increases the price of our products by X/unit”, doesn’t mean that feature isn’t included in the cost.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by highwaylights »

happyopossum wrote: post #222

My wife is in a position (board chair for a co-op) that results in her sending out a lot of invites to events. Evite has kinda been the go-to in her social/co-op group for ages, but man it suuuuuuucks these days. Ads everywhere, annoying patterns, and lacks a bunch of nice features that this seems to have. Very happy to see this

I could see it being really useful for that, my only hesitation would be that here in Europe it would need to support Android due to how ubiquitous that is here.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by dhosek »

vl wrote: post #717
bushbaba wrote: post #647

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Tend to agree. Hopefully Google will also offer their own alternative to this. (Free) Online invites just suck these days

You mean, like, Google Calendar? Groundbreaking free service to invite people?

Calendar invites and social invites are very different beasts.

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Post by highwaylights »

echelon wrote: post #334
svnt wrote: post #325

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How is it funded? That is your answer.

Not everything is in the position or can afford to transitionally tax the whole of the internet itself like big tech. You're paying for Apple Invites whether you realize it or not. There's immense value in making their platform more sticky. In a few years you'll read articles about uncool Android kids not getting invited to parties. And that's your answer. One of these behaviors is way more insidious.

This already happens with green bubbles, it's not new.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by highwaylights »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #380
echelon wrote: post #334

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Not everything is in the position or can afford to transitionally tax the whole of the internet itself like big tech. You're paying for Apple Invites whether you realize it or not. There's immense value in making their platform more sticky. In a few years you'll read articles about uncool Android kids not getting invited to parties. And that's your answer. One of these behaviors is way more insidious.

> You're paying for Apple Invites whether you realize it or not. There's immense value in making their platform more sticky. I'm not stuck to Apple's platform, I'm quite happy here. Apple services aren't drenched in ads end to end. Apple's services aren't constantly asking for nickels and dimes; it's one charge, every month, for a buffet of services that are regularly added to and actually improved , making them dist…

You're totally missing the point of parent. The cost is in how insidiously this behavior ostracizes Android owners over time, just like they've done for years with blue/green bubbles.

I'm an Apple user, and it serves me well, but it absolutely uses really sinister dark patterns to separate me from contacts in the Android world.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by aaronblohowiak »

mikepurvis wrote: post #216
aaronblohowiak wrote: post #148

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Group texts and shared albums (iPhoto or Google photo if you have androids in the mix) are most of my social interaction already..

This is what it's been for me as well, for several years— all meaningful friend-group interactions are now taking place in group chats, sadly this is entirely in Whatsapp and FB Messenger for me; would love if there was a reasonable migration path to getting these interactions entirely off of Meta properties.

Group text works cross platform now.. some friend groups are on discord

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by dhosek »

rchaud wrote: post #853
simonask wrote: post #783

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Apple/iOS has market dominance in several places outside the US, including Japan, Canada, Scandinavia, and several other European nations. It has a slight majority in the UK. Android has worldwide dominance overall, but people tend to communicate locally. Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-ma...

iMessage is nowhere near as popular outside the US, mostly because consumers do not expect to default themselves into some kind of single-manufacturer proprietary "ecosystem" that rivals Sony in how anti-consumer it is. Thanks to the EU, you can just charge newer model iPhones with any USB-C cable now instead of having to pad Apple's profits further with proprietary dongles and cables that offer no additional value.

Your depiction of iMessage (which is essentially SMS+encrypted communication with enhancements to people who also have Apple devices) seems disingenuous, as does your explanation of why people use alternatives outside the US. Outside the HN bubble, most people don‘t care about things like proprietary vs open (and if they did, why the heck would they opt for propietary alternatives).
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