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Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by alienallys »

mlindner wrote: post #684
kqgnkqgn wrote: post #120

Seem like sensible changes, though more is still needed. Requiring H1B holders to leave the country to renew paperwork is an insane anachronism. The per-country caps also seem like a throwback to the early 1900's era immigration exclusion policies. Re: the concerns over "immigrants taking our jobs!". As a native-born American working in a large tech company today - the threat is very clearly not from H1B's and other…

Per-country caps remains an absolutely good idea. The goal of immigrants should be to integrate into the society they are joining. Without per country caps you can start creating strange enclaves and you get some of the issues Canada is having.

India has roughly twice the population of Europe and is just as diverse. Treating India as a single, homogeneous entity because it's one country overlooks its vast cultural, linguistic, and demographic diversity—comparable to that of Europe. If diversity justifies country caps, it doesn't apply to India. Clinging to such policies seems outdated.

If India were divided into smaller countries like Europe, the same South Asian population, culture, and diversity would persist, but the artificial constraints tied to the name "India" would disappear.

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by tiznow »

shitlord wrote: post #810
bubblethink wrote: post #660

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What you are talking about is PERM. That's a requirement that the department of labor has established. When you want to hire an immigrant permanently, DOL requires that you take out an ad in a Sunday newspaper. It benefits the lawyers and the government greatly as this is a good source of revenue for both of them. As far as the actual job goes, that job was never open. The person is already working for the company on…

I wonder why US citizens aren't regularly exploiting this. Subscribe to the newspaper, apply to the job, and sue the company when they ignore you.

No expert on this, but in my estimation the nature of the law and process makes it hard to sue unless you're a one-to-one match with the job posting or invented part of the tech stack being used. Companies across various industries pass up on qualified people every day.

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by tiznow »

upbeat_general wrote: post #556
remarkEon wrote: post #202

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>It's much much better for America if tech companies hire workers in the US, regardless of whether they are citizens. Americans are eligible for those jobs, and that money stays within our economy. Versus employing workers elsewhere, where American's can't easily be hired, and those resources leave the US. I want to pick on this point, because it's the general refrain about this topic. If there is some thing that Ame…

I think a lot of these comments don’t properly capture the benefit. The more skilled workers, the more startups/companies, not to mention smarter people. But the effect is bigger than that, by allowing skilled immigration, it makes US universities and tech companies the best in the world, at the very least seen as such, which has tremendous larger effects. It’s not a coincidence that we have the largest tech industry…

Try repeating this to a developer out of work right now.

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by 01100011 »

mianos wrote: post #805
01100011 wrote: post #603

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Yep. We pay a lot. We are a company you've heard of and we're doing well. For our systems engineering roles, we've had a hell of a time finding good people. Plenty of interviews with folks who turn out not to know basic C programming or systems level algorithms. It seems like systems level programmers are either firmly employed somewhere else or have switch roles to an easier domain. I know I've considered going back…

Where "turn out not to know basic C programming or systems level algorithms" is failing some leetcode puzzle they have not touched in the last 20 years while they have been full time writing C and C++? So hell of a time not finding your definition of 'good people' would be kinda expected.

No it's more like failing to understand how to implement a basic memory allocator which is a very relevant task for a systems engineer.

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by testfrequency »

_yb2s wrote: post #533
testfrequency wrote: post #349

Honestly insane how much racist rhetoric I’m reading online (and surprisingly now HN) regarding this news... I suppose 2025 is starting early. edit: case in point, downvoted for simply saying I’m noticing a lot of racism from the (you know who) crowd - as all the comments against this are often followed with “trump will fix this” or “your country needs birth control” or “india shouldn’t be allowed to get visas”

I am slowly coming to grips with the fact that this is a genuine widespread hate movement, and the average person that supports it deeply feels this hatred, and personally blames their problems on anyone from another country, culture, or skin color- and doesn't believe those people deserve to be treated as human. I couldn't be more disappointed, angry, and terrified about what comes next.

Right there with you.

Also now seeing my comment is shadowbanned.

HN has really been pretty strong in silencing “counterpoints” as of late. No idea why the moderation team would read a comment like mine and feel compelled to hide it, for simply saying there’s a lot of hate speech regarding this topic. There’s still tons of comments on this thread that are very accusatory of foreigners abusing a fully legal system and logical path towards becoming an american citizen.

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by memtet »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #304
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #249

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So then call the H1-B program what it is - a way for US tech companies to depress wages to the point that you can't afford to live the US, unless it's a bunch of H-1B holders living together in a house share. The same goes for offshoring for jobs. Lovely for shareholders and the CEO's bonus, but not so great for US residents having to compete with them who are paying US cost of living, not Indian/etc overseas cost of…

It's racist to prefer citizens over non-citizens though. The US government should pass laws benefiting all people of the world equally.

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Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by tiznow »

alienallys wrote: post #861
mlindner wrote: post #684

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per-country caps remains an absolutely good idea. The goal of immigrants should be to integrate into the society they are joining. Without per country caps you can start creating strange enclaves and you get some of the issues Canada is having.

India has roughly twice the population of Europe and is just as diverse. Treating India as a single, homogeneous entity because it's one country overlooks its vast cultural, linguistic, and demographic diversity—comparable to that of Europe. If diversity justifies country caps, it doesn't apply to India. Clinging to such policies seems outdated. If India were divided into smaller countries like Europe, the same South…

I believe this is part of the problem/perception -- Indian immigration via policies like H-1B and whatever Canada does disproportionately offers people from a handful of Indian states (and the highest castes) the chance to be North American tech workers. Even if you say "well, the Indian tech industry is centered on a few states" it in essence is the same problem or perceived problem.

Specific to North America, most people actually like the idea of someone coming from halfway around the world to try to be a citizen of their nation. They do not exactly like the idea of being "carpetbagged" or being "flooded with people who do not integrate" and those perceptions exist not wholly out of imagination.

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by borski »

UltraSane wrote: post #795
Ardren wrote: post #764

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Wow, I can't imagine why companies don't want to hire you

Becoming deeply bitter is a very normal outcome of dealing with US company hiring processes in 2024

Becoming deeply bitter is a very normal outcome of dealing with literally anything, in any year. It has very little to do with US company hiring processes and a lot to do with someone’s attitude and outlook on life.

Both of my dads (father and FIL) got cancer this year. My mom almost did.

You don’t have to become deeply bitter, no matter what your situation. Many people do anyway, and that is by no means a moral failing of any kind, but it has very little to do with the individual events that precipitated it.

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by echoangle »

yazzku wrote: post #610
snake42 wrote: post #553

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For clearance specific kinds of jobs, I use https://www.clearancejobs.com/

It would be good to have a "no military" filter. Results would probably come out empty anyway.

I think many Aerospace jobs that aren't directly Defense/Military (think SpaceX Falcon 9 flight control development) are also behind clearance. Of course you will indirectly help launch military satellites but I wouldn't call it a military job exactly.

Re: Updates to H-1B

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Post by snake42 »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #729
snake42 wrote: post #559

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A security clearance doesn't necessarily mean you have to take drug tests. You do fill out paperwork about your previous drug usage though.

If you admit to past drug use they're going to drug test you.

Not in my experience.
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