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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by wtallis »

wnissen wrote: post #776
magarnicle wrote: post #743

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How much of an advantage is this over a mini or studio with an external display?

There's no advantage whatsoever unless you like the look of a display with a huge "chin" and hate cables with a firey passion. Using list prices, the iMac costs $300 less than a studio display with the same screen. You get a whole computer for negative money. Shows you how much money Apple makes on storage and RAM upgrades! But of course it won't remain useful for as long. I know people who are still using the Cinema…

> Using list prices, the iMac costs $300 less than a studio display with the same screen.

I think the old 27" iMac may have used the same screen as the current Studio Display, but the current iMac has a smaller and lower-resolution display.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by mlyle »

7speter wrote: post #783
waynecochran wrote: post #635

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It's simple. I have a old iMac w a 5K screen. I would like to just but a now Mac Mini and keep using my iMac as a monitor. Instead my 5K iMac will end up in a landfill. Which is less green.

You could put Linux on it and use it as a sort of jukebox, or any multitude of other things. You could also send it to me if you aren't interested in doing any of that :)

I use Linux on mine. It's a bummer that the magic to send over 2 eDP tiled at 5k resolution was never open-sourced, so you can only send 4k and it ends up slightly blurry.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by schmorptron »

hnburnsy wrote: post #817
conradev wrote: post #600

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It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

> They'll also never let the iPad run macOS, because if people could own one device instead of two, that would be bad for their profits. They'll keep them cleanly differentiated for as long as they can. They also don't have profiles on the iPad because then families could share devices which would be bad for their profits. Instead it is one iPad per person.

That functionality used to exist on Android, but I haven't seen it show up on the past two phones I owned. Does it still exist in stock and xiaomi just got rid of it for whatever reason?

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by raffraffraff »

jerich wrote: post #707
SurgeArrest wrote: post #530

Reading this on 2017 iMac 27" - is the first 5k iMac that couldn't be used as a monitor after the computer inside is irrelevant. I hope EU will push for some law that requires all AIO computers to work in monitor-only mode if internal hardware is no longer good enough or no longer supported by software updates. I love the 5k screen on this iMac but the CPU is too old for photo or video editing as software got so much…

Apple should hire a couple hackers to create “end-of-life” firmware for their obsolete devices; give them new life as super-specialized devices. Part green program, part customer delight, even some wacky art projects. Maybe if an iMac doesn’t have a video input—have it boot as an AirPlay-only monitor. I’ve got 2 old EOL appleTV boxes sitting in a drawer—again, one last firmware update to make them dedicated AirPlay r…

I have an obsolete Epson scanner (an expensive one!) and an iPad from 2012. Neither are usable anymore, officially. The iPad won't install more than a handful of apps from the App store, and both Epson and Microsoft refuse to supply drivers for old scanners even though I'm sure they're little different to the ones they use for the latest model.

So I grabbed a raspberry pi, installed Apache, PHP and phpsane (heavily hacked) and now my scanner has an iPad for a control panel, and I can scan dozens of documents without turning on my computer. Then I can access the whole thing across the network (samba file shares for docs, or the scanner interface).

My SIL who was junking the scammer after upgrading to Windows 11 thinks it's a better solution than the new scanner she bought to replace it.

Such hacks shouldn't only be possible with years of tech experience though.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by Tepix »

rowanG077 wrote: post #706
conradev wrote: post #600

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

I think it's extremely overestimated by the technical crowd how many people would ever upgrade their RAM or SSD in their Macbook. I honestly doubt it's even in the single digit percentage points. The energy, engineering and material wasted on having connectors probably vastly outweighs the environmental savings by having that one tech person upgrade their RAM or SSD,

Just look at the latest iMac M4. Going from 256GB SSD to 512GB costs 230€. Going from 256GB to 1TB costs 460€. The smallest model isn't offered with 2TB (or more). The upgrade from 512GB to 2TB on the better model costs 690€

You're saying few people would buy the 256GB model and pop in a fast 2TB M.2 SSD for 103€ if they could?

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by sureIy »

ffsm8 wrote: post #529
jjcm wrote: post #448

Since this thread seems to be about niche asks for pro users, despite the product being targeted towards casual users who want an easy out of the box experience, I'll add my own to the mix. I'd love a bigger/better screen on these, specifically an ultrawide variety. An iMac Pro with an 8k ultrawide would be a near-instant purchase for me. I find the ultrawide form factor so good for productivity. I love the apple "it…

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Can you stop?

It takes 5 minutes to charge. It tells you hours in advance. Take a break and charge it. If you want a cabled mouse, just get a $5 cabled mouse.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by guappa »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #570
SurgeArrest wrote: post #530

Reading this on 2017 iMac 27" - is the first 5k iMac that couldn't be used as a monitor after the computer inside is irrelevant. I hope EU will push for some law that requires all AIO computers to work in monitor-only mode if internal hardware is no longer good enough or no longer supported by software updates. I love the 5k screen on this iMac but the CPU is too old for photo or video editing as software got so much…

> Apple is only "green" in their presentations - in reality they care more about inifite sales only. needs citation. I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing.

Planned obsolescence is bad for the environment.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by guappa »

numpad0 wrote: post #813
rowanG077 wrote: post #706

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I think it's extremely overestimated by the technical crowd how many people would ever upgrade their RAM or SSD in their Macbook. I honestly doubt it's even in the single digit percentage points. The energy, engineering and material wasted on having connectors probably vastly outweighs the environmental savings by having that one tech person upgrade their RAM or SSD,

Agreed, it's just minority of users trying to defer extra $2500 upfront, and also about managing RAM capacity arms race. There is no engineering reason a laptop has to be upgraded _later_ to e.g. 8way/192GB/6TB configuration. That said, I do think upgradable laptops are important as a resistance force against constant upgrades and planned obsolescence; if you could hypothetically add 2x32GB DDR4-2100 to a decade old…

There's no engineering reason that makes RAM on apple computers cost much more than market prices. But it's convenient to apple…

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by guappa »

7speter wrote: post #779
rowanG077 wrote: post #706

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's extremely overestimated by the technical crowd how many people would ever upgrade their RAM or SSD in their Macbook. I honestly doubt it's even in the single digit percentage points. The energy, engineering and material wasted on having connectors probably vastly outweighs the environmental savings by having that one tech person upgrade their RAM or SSD,

Yet, Macbooks had upgradeable ram and storage upto about 12 or 13 years ago.

Yeah I bought some extra RAM for my old macbook (which wasn't old at the time).

It was even easy to do it, no need to take it all apart. There was a lid behind the battery.

Remember that for people who used computers in that period, opening a computer to replace a component was a completely normal operation.

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