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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by xnx »

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

> Do you know that my family doctor ONLY take calls? ... Do you know it takes hours to reach a government office, and they work maybe 6 hours a day?

Google has a few different features to handle making calls on your behalf and navigating phone menus and holds.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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TreetopPlace wrote: post #522
ethbr1 wrote: post #334

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> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

Since Apple is building ChatGPT integration into its devices, it’s clear that Apple’s users’ data is going to be slurped by Microsoft via ClosedAI servers now.

It’s unlikely latency would permit them to proxy every request to fully mask end-user IPs (it’s unclear what “obscured” means), and they would probably include device identifiers and let Microsoft maintain your shadow profile if that could improve ChatGPT output (it may not require literally storing your every request, so denying that is weasel phrasing).

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by kaba0 »

jerieljan wrote: post #815
ethbr1 wrote: post #334

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> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

For Google in particular, this was honestly something they could've done far earlier. They had the Pixel phones, they had the Tensor stuff, and then Gemini came along. But for some reason, they decided to just stick to feature tidbits here and there and chose not to roll out quality-of-life UI features to make Gemini use easier on normal apps and not just select Google apps. And then it's also limited by various fact…

Android CPUs are not playing in the same ballpark as Apple’s, there is always at least one generation difference between - and the core of these AI features is on-device intelligence, possibly by having managed to fit a good chunk of an LLM to an iphone. It being able to determine when to go online is the crucial part.

Also, apple bought up more ML startups than google or microsoft.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by kaba0 »

tstrimple wrote: post #818
ethbr1 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

Microsoft is trying and I feel they are in a much stronger position than Google. The same advantage that Apple has for personal docs and images Microsoft has across business content. Seamless AI integration across teams and outlook and sharepoint and other office products offer huge platform benefits.

What personal data do you have on Microsoft? It doesn’t even know where my photos are as the folder structure is at the end completely arbitrary - how could it execute “call the person on this photo”, and similar level of integration?

This Apple AI presupposes their strong ecosystem, which no one has anything similar to. Google was in a good position years ago, but they are criminally unfocused nowadays.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by tstrimple »

kaba0 wrote: post #865
tstrimple wrote: post #818

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Microsoft is trying and I feel they are in a much stronger position than Google. The same advantage that Apple has for personal docs and images Microsoft has across business content. Seamless AI integration across teams and outlook and sharepoint and other office products offer huge platform benefits.

What personal data do you have on Microsoft? It doesn’t even know where my photos are as the folder structure is at the end completely arbitrary - how could it execute “call the person on this photo”, and similar level of integration? This Apple AI presupposes their strong ecosystem, which no one has anything similar to. Google was in a good position years ago, but they are criminally unfocused nowadays.

I know reading comprehension is difficult based on the overall quality of internet content these days. But I explicitly called out the business data Microsoft has in this domain. So why does Microsoft’s control of personal data factor into this at all? Do you have anything of value to add? Did you even bother to read what you are responding to? But sure. Go off on your anti Microsoft rant completely disconnected from the topic at hand.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by ukuina »

doctoboggan wrote: post #44

Apple trying to rebrand AI = "Apple Intelligence" is a totally Apple thing to do. I'll be curious to see if Apple gets caught with some surprise or scandal from unexpected behavior in their generative models. I expect that the rollout will be smoother than Bing or Google's first attempts, but I don't think even Apple will prove capable of identifying and mitigating all possible edge cases. I noticed during the livest…

> the re-write feature generated some pretty bad text, with all the hallmarks of gen AI content

This is the curse of small-language models. They are better suited for constrained output like categorization. Using them for email generation takes... well, that takes courage.

Thankfully, there is an option to use GPT-4o for many of the text generation tasks.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by kaba0 »

thomasahle wrote: post #746
tonyabracadabra wrote: post #538

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The image generation is dalle 2.5 level and feels really greasy to me, beyond that I think the overall launch is pretty good! I also congratulate rabbit r1 for their timely release months before WWDC https://heymusic.ai/music/apple-intel-fEoSb

The generated image of two dice ( https://x.com/thomasahle/status/1800258720074490245 ) was dalle 1 level. Just randomly sprinkled eyes on the sides. I wonder why they chose to showcase that.

What eyer are you talking about? That’s two “hand-sketched” dice, isn’t it?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by ukuina »

shironononon wrote: post #163
mfiguiere wrote: post #84

> Privacy protections are built in for users who access ChatGPT — their IP addresses are obscured, and OpenAI won’t store requests. ChatGPT’s data-use policies apply for users who choose to connect their account. > ChatGPT will come to iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and macOS Sequoia later this year, powered by GPT-4o.

"let's store responses and a hash of the request intent in a kvp then"

Storing the response and *a GPT-summarized request* would not violate the spirit or letter of the statement here, either.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by theshrike79 »

TillE wrote: post #646
theshrike79 wrote: post #592

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As long as they don't geolock it to "english speaking" countries, I'm fine with that.

As far as I'm aware, the only time Apple has implemented that kind of restriction is with their DMA compliance. Like, I used the US App Store (with a US credit card) while physically in Europe for many years.

And Apple Fitness and Apple News.

I can follow workout instructions in english, as can my kids. But Apple has decided that Apple One is more shit over here for some reason.

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