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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by illiac786 »

nojvek wrote: post #851
quartesixte wrote: post #814

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Not just high end real estate. Your local mom & pop in a strip mall somewhere (at least in the US) has a high chance of paying % of gross receipts to the landlord + rent. This may vary by location and landlord but it absolutely is a thing. And a guarantee for any high-end, high-traffic location.

Demand and supply. As long as there is a marketplace and people have a choice, the market will balance. I have friends in strip mall businesses and they have moved locations for better landlords.

Sometimes there's something else at play though, because there are situations which cannot be explained by offer and demand. For example, developers are paid less in average than for example some consultant jobs while in my view (and I'm a consultant) both the skills required for a developer are higher while additionally the available workforce (supply) is lower for developers as well.

I mean, consultants, they grow on trees and I know what I'm talking about, I sometines interview new hires as part of my job. Developers, less so.

I don't have an explanation for this, it's a strange effect. But it's just an example, I have observed multiple times this unexpected deviation from the law of supply and demand.

My point is, this law is not a sure fire way to explain any price.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by xvector »

rezonant wrote: post #819
xvector wrote: post #759

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Because MacBooks are just better. (Have owned both.) I have owned, and continue to own, all sorts of laptops and phones. I could rant about Apple all day long online, but in the end their product is simply superior.

And yet if your statement were true, it would not explain why others who also own "both" disagree with you. Absolutism does not serve you, there are few subjects in this world that lack nuance.

My statement is very clearly an opinion.

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Post by docmars »

endisneigh wrote: post #802
post_break wrote: post #798

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Imagine there are only two restaurants in the world and they both only serve steak, yet when you want a salad people say go to the other restaurant.

This is a great metaphor because if we accept it then the salad is the web, yet no one wants that.

I think there is a great desire for web-like application distribution to work well on smartphones, but with none of the drawbacks like poor rendering performance and lack of native features.

Of course, native apps that wrap web-based apps is almost the reverse of that, and we still often get laggy, sub-par experiences as a result of broader platform support for lower maintenance costs.

PWAs fill the opposite gap where you get native-like apps at the expense of low performance, distributed any way you like.

What we really need is for high-performance native applications to be distributable via the open web, and that's exactly what the EU is enforcing here, in a way. What would be better is for WebAssembly to take off and offer native performance in apps that can be visited at URLs, just like we're used to.

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Post by jasonm23 »

docmars wrote: post #843
fennecbutt wrote: post #813

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Yeah that seems to be a common theme with Apple peeps, being fine with "Well if you don't like what Apple gives you, go somewhere else!" But like...if someone really does like the product but knows that product could be even better, wouldn't they naturally speak up about it?

Your last point is exactly where I'm coming from here. People complaining about a product is usually a sign of its wide, and possibly avid, use. After trying UI design tools and web development on Windows and Linux machines and finding the experience very sub-par for my needs, I've found macOS, and by extension, Apple's hardware quality, choice of keyboard layout, ease of use, etc. to be superior for my needs. I have…

If it's been a few years since you gave Linux a try, I'd strongly recommend giving it another go.

I had 2 macbooks fail simultaneously over the new year, and instead of laying down the $$$ for a new m3 mackbook, I put a linux station together, with the intent for it to be a windows dual boot.

At this point a couple of months later, windows is no more than a KVM/QEMU virtual machine (and runs its DAW/synth apps, significantly faster and with greater stability than either of my dead m1 macbooks ever did.)

Best tool for the job has changed.

An equipment manuifacturer who's goal is for hw failures to trigger a new purchase and not a repair should be enough incentive to ditch them. We all know Apple has fallen way further than that.

They're a litigious, anti-consumer company that hides behind some fake, faded, John Lennon esque / hipster image.

Time to cut them loose, isn't it?

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Post by sneak »

xvector wrote: post #775
isodev wrote: post #58

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The DMA is perfectly clear regarding its intention and context. Trying to split hairs to find wiggle-room in the text just so a gatekeeper can maintain the status-quo for a while longer is absolutely malicious. Furthermore, Apple’s behaviour is quite discouraging for us EU based developers who actually understand and aspire to the EU’s values and what we consider “normal” treatment of the people using our apps and se…

Obviously Apple doesn't hold the EU's values in high regard (few people in the Bay or even the US do), so of course they will try to fight it. It's perfectly rational and even expected behavior.

Personifying large groups (the EU, or Apple) as if they have one set of “values” or “regard” is almost always a logical mistake.

22,000 of Apple’s employees are EU citizens and residents.

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Post by greazy »

fennecbutt wrote: post #831
throwaway2037 wrote: post #761

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> lots of anecdotal tales of technology illiterate grandparents, fathers and mothers being better off I'll bite. Is there anyone here that thinks overall security for elderly (and lower skilled users) will *not* be hurt by additional app stores? I find it hard to believe. And, I write this post an an uber geek is is neither an Apple fan boi, but is very impressive by their overall security and UX. For the geeks, it w…

I still feel like that argument is like a "won't somebody please think of the children" one. If app stores need to be locked down to protect the elderly, then surely the Internet needs to be locked down to protect all children. After all, Safari still navigates little Jimmy to pornhub if he clicks the link. I feel like the real solution, same as the one most parents should be using instead of forcing it into everyone…

This was my reasoning as well. I guess the mention of the elderly side tracked the discussion of safety and security of app stores.

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Post by greazy »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #761
greazy wrote: post #670

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But does it? I haven't seen any hard evidence, and lots of anecdotal tales of technology illiterate grandparents, fathers and mothers being better off.

> lots of anecdotal tales of technology illiterate grandparents, fathers and mothers being better off I'll bite. Is there anyone here that thinks overall security for elderly (and lower skilled users) will *not* be hurt by additional app stores? I find it hard to believe. And, I write this post an an uber geek is is neither an Apple fan boi, but is very impressive by their overall security and UX. For the geeks, it w…

I think you are overall correct that the iOS store does improve the experience of the elder. But I suspect it's more due to the lack of 'side loading' and locked user experience and less so do to do with apple inspection/code review. I have no evidence to support this.

My original question was a request for hard evidence which I think is lacking in arguments of security and safety.

I think I've seen an equal amount of press surrounding fake and useless apps on both android and apple platforms. But this is purely observational.

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Post by auggierose »

toyg wrote: post #499
auggierose wrote: post #456

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The EU will still want to protect their capabilities to spy on people's phones, now, or maybe in the future. They will not want to mess with that by giving users too much control over their phone.

Your view of "the EU" as some sort of personified and consistent entity, is very naive. This legislation is primarily pushed by commercial interests.

In the end it is always people making the decision. That is who "they" refers to.

But you are right, the EU should be much more unified and consistent. Also, have their own army that they could send into Ukraine to put Russians back where they belong.

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Post by bimguy »

docmars wrote: post #750

Oh the horror, it must be so hard for Apple to cave to an open system for these people. What will they ever do without their unbelievable tax on app profits simply for existing on their nearly unlimited real estate, that is, the web?! I have no sympathy for their concerns. I can download apps on my MacBook machines all day from many different sources, and it harms no one. While I understand the associated risks, comp…

You are not a big fan of the EU after this? They seem to care more about privacy and rights of the people within the majority of the countries that make up the EU then any other outside country that I could name.

Then again, I'm not American so I can easily see the influence your country has on most other countries, so to say the "EU have enormous capacity for overreach at the expense of participating countries and their citizens" is completely ignorant and oblivious.

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