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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by ineedaj0b »

WWLink wrote: post #51
nixgeek wrote: post #27

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I doubt your supermarket chain has done things which rise to Phil Schiller responding to Epic with — > We welcome all developers to the Developer Program so long as they follow the rules. Those rules, including the DPLA and the App Store Review Guidelines, are intended to protect the integrity of the ecosystem, developers large and small, and - most importantly-users. Accordingly, developers who are unable or unwilli…

The sooner this "ecosystem" crap dies, the better. The sooner not needing Apple dev tools or an Apple developer account to make software for an Apple device, the better. The sooner I can use my Apple Watch with an Android phone, the better. The sooner Apple stops (basically) requiring me to use icloud instead of literally any other better, cheaper, higher performance cloud service for my photos, videos, settings, and…

buy an android man. All this grief you have has a solution and you are smart.

Finding this issue so cankerous to post your reply means you should find another port to anchor your ship

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by simondotau »

raydev wrote: post #780
Despegar wrote: post #57

Epic perhaps thought Apple might show them grace after the lawsuit in the US. A kind of repeat of the Apple-Samsung litigation where everyone has a "it's just business" attitude and keeps doing business together while simultaneously suing each other. Apple on the other hand has decided they will show them no quarter. I don't think they're being emotional about it. I think it's to show every other developer that they…

> I don't think they're being emotional about it It's hard to read it as anything but emotional. It's pure display of power, Apple is willing to hurt iOS users to make a point to other developers.

Epic Games was willing to hurt their iOS users by knowingly, wilfully, and strategically breaching Apple's developer agreement in a way they knew would result in Fortnite being removed from the store. Then they manipulated their customers into directing their anger towards Apple even though it was Epic's wilful actions were to blame.

I'd be a little emotional too.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by Epskampie »

bogdan wrote: post #859
ectospheno wrote: post #849

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I love my iphone more than any other tech device I own. Can you elaborate on "The experience on iPhone is shit"? Seems like hyperbole to me.

Fish don't know they're in water until they're out of it. See Android.

I switched a few years ago. The realistic non-hyperbole take is that iOS and Android are really, really similar.

Only real difference is Firefox, is that turns out nicely on iOS I might try the other side again.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by simondotau »

Zambyte wrote: post #657
tracerbulletx wrote: post #492

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Gaming consoles are not really special purpose anymore.

That's why I called them "general purpose computers that are marketed as special purpose computers".

Are you saying that the laws governing digital markets should vary based on a manufacturer's current marketing strategy?

What if they market it one way this month and a different way next month?

I wonder, would a Chromebook be considered a general purpose computer for the purposes of this argument? Should the rules change for the Xbox if Microsoft ever mentions that the Xbox is a great platform for browsing the web on a TV? You can plug a keyboard and mouse into it and Google Docs (among others) works perfectly.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by jamwil »

Zuiii wrote: post #828
daemin wrote: post #757

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Increasingly in this modern world, no, you are not the owner of the device. You're more like purchasing the right to use it for a time, in the way that the makers want you to use it. This applies across PCs, Macs, and Phones where Microsoft, Apple, and Google all try to up-sell you on their online services and now their "AI tools".

Hopefully changing laws will cure companies from this delusional take. Most reasonable people don't think this way.

To offer a modest counterweight here, every iPhone owner bought the product knowing damn well that Apple keeps the OS locked down. If you don’t want that, don’t buy an iPhone. There’s no confusion about what the product is and what you can do with it.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by simondotau »

fennecbutt wrote: post #830
yakkityyak wrote: post #430

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I don’t quite understand why they happily subscribe to this model with Xbox PlayStation and Nintendo, but are adamant about getting their way with Google and Apple.

Apple sells iPhones for a profit even before the app store is involved. Consoles rely on game sales.

I'm wondering how you're thinking this distinction should apply in the real world. Would you say that if a game console is ever sold at a profit, the rules should change for that console platform?

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by dantheman »

wkat4242 wrote: post #614
lamontcg wrote: post #570

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Yeah, its really weird to appeal to the noble intentions of a corporation. They're both just engaged in business. I can believe that Apple is acting incredibly badly in this case without needing to fluff up Epic Games at all. Apple and Samsung could sue each other and do business with each other because the stakes were lower and they were more codependent.

> Yeah, its really weird to appeal to the noble intentions of a corporation. They're both just engaged in business. This is what's wrong with the current overly capitalist system. Companies are totally allowed to have no conscience, and externalise whatever they please to consumers and the environment. And you could even argue they are 'forced' to do so by due diligence legislation. If we let this continue there will…

Capitalism is a system of private property and voluntary exchange. There's tons of accountability - people can stop buying and interacting with these companies.

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Post by pjerem »

spease wrote: post #737
pjerem wrote: post #641

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> But anyway I've written Apple out of my life a long time ago. I love my iPhone and my Mac. They are great devices. I’ve been using Apple products happily despite having pretty few acquaintance with the Apple brand (which I feel incredibly arrogant). All of those stories about the DMA and the total lack of good faith from Apple when it comes to respect the rules are making me strongly reconsider buying new Apple pro…

> They are actively and publicly fighting against my (their customer) interests. If Apple allowed unrestricted sideloading or third-party app stores, then it loses its leverage to hold apps accountable to any guidelines. A few major players would switch to using the alternative method (eg Amazon would want to sell digital items and use its own payment system), legitimizing it, and then everyone who wants to ignore th…

> What do you want to do now that you can't do with the current state of affairs?

I want to own the object I paid hundreds to own.

You are serving me the « you can still use android » argument. But that’s a false choice : I know both platforms, I know their pro & cons (at least relatively to my opinion). I choose iOS because Android had other cons that I couldn’t tolerate. Making this choice doesn’t tie me to agree with every decision Apple make on my device.

The thing is that I’m stuck between two actors and I don’t like any of them for various reason. Because those two actors actively used their previously accumulated financial power to block new competitors on the market. Your argument of « you can go elsewhere if you are not happy », would be valid if we still had Windows Phone, Palm Pre, Symbian OS or if it was doable for new actors to emerge tomorrow, heck I would even accept it if you could install Linux on my phone (in fact I do believe that regulators should enforce the right to install another OS ok any phone). But we are not in this situation of choice and that’s precisely why those regulations are coming.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by sunshinerag »

wkat4242 wrote: post #614
lamontcg wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, its really weird to appeal to the noble intentions of a corporation. They're both just engaged in business. I can believe that Apple is acting incredibly badly in this case without needing to fluff up Epic Games at all. Apple and Samsung could sue each other and do business with each other because the stakes were lower and they were more codependent.

> Yeah, its really weird to appeal to the noble intentions of a corporation. They're both just engaged in business. This is what's wrong with the current overly capitalist system. Companies are totally allowed to have no conscience, and externalise whatever they please to consumers and the environment. And you could even argue they are 'forced' to do so by due diligence legislation. If we let this continue there will…

What is a "overly" capitalist system? Where we would find companies with a conscience for example? Argentina?
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