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OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
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Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#862Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits To be clear, these don't go away. They remain an asset of OpenAI's, and could help them continue their research for a few years.
Sure, the point is that MS giving $13B of its services away is less expensive than $13B in cash.
Exactly, I don't know the exact terms of the deal but I am guessing that's at LIST/high markup on cost of those services.
Couldthe 13b could be considerably less cost
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#863Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no way to read any of this other than that the entire operation is a clown show. All respect to the engineers and their technical abilities, but this organization has demonstrated such a level of dysfunction that there can't be any path back for it. Say MS gets what it wants out of this move, what purpose is there in keeping OpenAI around? Wouldn't they be better off just hiring everybody? Is it just some kin…
> There's no way to read any of this other than that the entire operation is a clown show. In that reading Altman is head clown. Everyone is blaming the board, but you're no genius if you can't manage your board effectively. As CEO you have to bring everyone along with your vision; customers, employees and the board.
He probably didn't consider that the board would make such an incredibly stupid decision. Some actions are so inexplicable that no one can reasonable foresee them.
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#864If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT. Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits. So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts. [1]…
Oh man, I'm not looking forward to Microsoft AGI.
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#865Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the biggest question mark for me; what was the original reason for kicking Sam out. Was it just a power move to out him and install a different person or is he accused of some wrong doing? It's been a busy weekend for me so I haven't really followed it if more has come out since then.
Literally no one involved has said what was the original reason. Mira, Ilya & the rest of the board didn't tell. Sam & Greg didn't tell. Satya & other investors didn't tell. None of the staff incl. Karpathy were told, so ofc they are not going to take the side that kept them in the dark). Emmett was told before he decided to take the interim CEO job, and STILL didn't tell what it was. This whole thing is just so weir…
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Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
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Just a thought.... Wouldn't one of the board members be like "If you screw with us any further we're releasing gpt to the public" I'm wondering why that option hasn't been used yet.
theoretically their concern is around AI safety - whatever it is in practice doing something like that would instantly signal to everyone that they are the bad guys and confirm everyone's belief that this was just a power grab Edit: since it's being brought up in thread they claimed they closed sourced it because of safety. It was a big controversial thing and they stood by it so it's not exactly easy to backtrack
A power grab by open sourcing something that fits their initial mission? Interesting analysis
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#867Well I give up. I think everyone is a "loser" in the current situation. With Ilya signing this I have literally no clue what to believe anymore. I was willing to give the board the benefit of the doubt since I figured non-profit > profit in terms of standing on principal but this timeline is so screwy I'm done. Ilya votes for and stands behind decision to remove Altman, Altman goes to MS, other employees want him bac…
There's no way to read any of this other than that the entire operation is a clown show. All respect to the engineers and their technical abilities, but this organization has demonstrated such a level of dysfunction that there can't be any path back for it. Say MS gets what it wants out of this move, what purpose is there in keeping OpenAI around? Wouldn't they be better off just hiring everybody? Is it just some kin…
> the entire operation is a clown show
The most organized and professional silicon valley startup.
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#868Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is wrong. Microsoft has no such rights and its license comes with restrictions, per the cited primary source, meaning a fork would require a very careful approach. https://www.wsj.com/articles/microsoft-and-openai-forge-awkw...
They could make ChatGPT++ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B
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Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#869Earlier quoted context omitted.
They could make ChatGPT++ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B
“Microsoft Chat 365” Although it would be beautiful if they name it Clippy and finally make Clippy into the all-powerful AGI it was destined to be.
> Although it would be beautiful if they name it Clippy and finally make Clippy into the all-powerful AGI it was destined to be.
Finally the paperclip maximizer
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#870The irony. You can ask chatgpt4 if it was the right decision to fire the guy and it kinda confirms it.