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YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Re: YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money through its platform

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Post by developer93 »

vel0city wrote: post #773
ncallaway wrote: post #708

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For the broader media ecosystem, we used to have stronger regulations preventing individual entities (be them individuals of corporations) from owning certain percentages of the media ecosystem. I’d be a fan of modernizing that concept, defining social media companies as being a part of the media ecosystem, and lowering that ownership percentage. Force individual social media companies to be broken up into smaller en…

It's easy to imagine such things when it relates to owning all the movie theaters or television stations in a given market. But if it's just because people choose to type YouTube into their browser or upload to YouTube over competitors, how do propose to do it?

Well Facebook and Google both have a history of buying competitors, which could be regulated

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Post by developer93 »

eropple wrote: post #535
thallium205 wrote: post #465

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I’m pretty sure YouTube still shows ads on demonetized channels.

They will show ads between videos, and maybe they do that when one or the other is demonetized, but they do not show interstitials on demonetized channels.

Sounds like an inventive to go watch some Brand..

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Post by developer93 »

grepfru_it wrote: post #705
jvickers wrote: post #555

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I never said that my ideal video hosting website would lack moderation. Ideally I would have control (which I can delegate) over moderation rather than someone I disagreed with, and not have to spend much time or effort on moderation either. Training and/or fine tuning my own moderation AI would be a useful feature.

After you get fired/retire/die someone else will take over your role. They will have their own ideals. Will they follow your ideals? Maybe. History says not likely. Communism never succeeds past the first (maybe second) generation before corruption takes root. Same with obtusely vague terms of service and privacy policies. Google circa 2003, awesome. Google circa 2023, not so sure anymore

Their role as the user of their account?

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Post by username332211 »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #803
akira2501 wrote: post #796

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> I'm just wondering about the argument they are making, You are witnessing the slow merging of Silicon Valley with the Security State. Buckle up. It gets super fun after this.

Is that really the right way to think about it? Has Brand been convicted of any crime by any government? Seems more accurate to say Youtube is building an alternative security state. Heck, it's rather anarcho-capitalist if you ask me.

> Has Brand been convicted of any crime by any government?

No, he's punished without the due process of law.

And that's how most dictatorial regimes usually deal with miscreants. If you bad-mouthed Breznev nobody would bother with a show-trial unless there was some specific benefit of making you an example. In 9/10 cases they'd fire you from any semi-decent job and won't let your kids finish high school with more than 2.0 GPA.

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Post by camillomiller »

rayiner wrote: post #476
karaterobot wrote: post #243

> “If a creator’s off-platform behavior harms our users, employees or ecosystem, we take action to protect the community,” the spokeswoman said. Putting aside the validity of the accusations—let's say he did everything he's accused of, for the sake of argument—is Youtube alleging that he assaulted Youtube employees, app developers who use the Youtube ecosystem, or Youtube users? I assume the latter. But the thing is,…

I’m 100% in favor of cleaning house with that generation of musicians and performers that openly preyed on women. But is that what YouTube is doing? When is Aerosmith getting demonetized? https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/steven-tyl... How has it taken YouTube this long, anyway? Hasn’t much of this stuff been openly known for a decade or more? Is YouTube literally just reacting to the media cycle and…

Same here, but tbh the accusations against Brand are quite moot. Regardless of that, why is YouTube to decide and not a court of law? Of course a private platform can do whatever they want, but when their decision is basically the same as a court issuing fine or damages in the way it affects a person’s livelihood, shouldn’t their decisions be regulated accordingly?

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Post by robertlagrant »

awb wrote: post #425
robertlagrant wrote: post #297

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Firing someone for a horrific accusation might not be that different to locking the person in a cage.

I don’t know many people that would prefer the later, since being locked in a cage also comes with losing your job, a horrible accusation proven true (or admitted to) in court and a public criminal record. Losing your income and being publicly shamed sucks, but you still can rely on close friends and family, a public safety net and lawsuits (if you’ve been defamed or illegally fired), while enjoying sunshine, fresh a…

Well - true, but there are plenty of stories of people being abandoned by friends and family on the strength of an accusation.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

anigbrowl wrote: post #162
mikece wrote: post #67

No clue whether Brand is innocent or guilty before the law, but if he's exonerated would he have grounds to sue YouTube/Google or do the terms of service allow YouTube to demonetize people based on accusations even if they turn out to be false at a later time?

Unlikely, since uploaders don't really have a contractual relationship with YouTube. Platform operators can just arbitrarily kick people off with no recourse or accountability or even a clear explanation. There's no workaround for this except through regulation, aka government overreach into the free market destroying jobs and freedoms (as objections are usually phrased).

>regulation, aka government overreach //

I think you're mocking those who say this is overreach? But the tone is hard for me to be sure about.

In any case, regulation would seem to protect jobs here (jobs of content creators), although what it does to freedoms is much harder to analyse.

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Post by mvuijlst »

benj111 wrote: post #859
valdiorn wrote: post #854

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> Ultimately the citizens of N Korea are 'free' to move elsewhere They literally are not. They are held in by landmines and barbed wire. Nobody is going to execute Brand and his entire extended family if he moves away from YouTube. But that WILL happen if you leave North Korea. Quit your sh*t.

Ultimately you can climb over the barbed wire fence and jump over the land mines. They absolutely have agency to try. Just the same as Brand has agency to set up his own YouTube alternative. Where do you want to set the limits? Is it at you and your extended family being executed? What about starving people in Africa? They won't be executed if they leave, so it's their own fault for staying? What about USians that wa…

He'll be warmly welcomed at X.
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