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Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by deminature »

aniforprez wrote: post #504
WestCoastJustin wrote: post #182

In this situation, do you hire someone to negotiate with or for you? I'm thinking the intention here was to sell the company for $10 million and that came across as a threat because of the language that was used. You would not record the call [1] and then publish it if you actually were blackmailing them for $10 million. I'm not faulting the guy here at all, I just think it comes down to lack of experience in dealing…

> I'm not sure who was on the other end of the call He mentions that it was spez AKA Steve Huffman the CEO of reddit. The call really does sound amateurish and the joke/negotiation tactic/money request/??? was really unprofessional but Steve seems to have completely misconstrued the whole interaction and blown up at him. I would say this is worse of the CEO to use this to spread slander especially when he already apo…

Steve appears to have assumed there is no recording, so he can represent the conversation dishonestly. Unfortunately, there is a recording, so we can all hear that it wasn't a threat and that the reddit representative admitted that on the call. The optics of ineptly smearing Christian look terrible for Reddit management.

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Post by waif »

sh34r wrote: post #740

Reddit is Digging its own grave. Eternal September awaits all the old school forums that still remain. But perhaps that decentralization will be a good thing in the end. I think the network effects of Reddit are a lot easier to undo than that of Twitter. There is little core functionality that didn’t exist in forum software from the Naughties.

Honestly it's probably better for the web if it reverts back to the model of smaller independent forums. HN is a good example of a healthy small/medium sized community.

I would say the 'social media era' of the history of the web has concluded in failure. When you consolidate everyone onto a singular platform, it creates a weird unhealthy community dynamic, and the business incentives do not align at all with users.

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Post by sillysaurusx »

clarkdale wrote: post #850
dang wrote: post #845

Ok, here are the major threads. Others? r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit's API changes - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36249958 - June 2023 (233 comments) Sync will shut down on June 30 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36248234 - June 2023 (88 comments) Join our CEO tomorrow to discuss the API - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36246937 - June 2023 (73 comments) Reddit is Fun…

Is this aggregation manual and do you find it rewarding?

It’s probably macro-powered but mostly manual.

It’s work he has to do, otherwise those stories would overrun the front page. So the community finds it rewarding.

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by spullara »

km3r wrote: post #724
spullara wrote: post #258

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Where did you get that number from? Apollo dev's calc put it more in the range of $1.40/ YEAR not month. That makes it a 20x premium, not 2x. https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_ca...

That would hilariously low for a social network.

https://sacra.com/c/reddit/

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by 7jjjjjjj »

newaccount74 wrote: post #551
duckfruit wrote: post #39

This makes me indescribably sad. Apart from mourning the loss of a fantastic app by an awesome developer, to me it signals the end of a golden era of small indie client only apps. Since the APIs for the likes of reddit, twitter (RIP tweetbot) and others were available for free or a reasonable fee it spawned a whole cottage industry of developers who made a living selling alternate front ends for these services. These…

Mastodon clients are a fun UI playground, lots of indie apps (at least on iOS). Unfortunately Mastodon feels a bit empty, there's not many people on it yet.

Mastodon doesn't have algorithmic recommendations, so you have to follow people fairly liberally to get a good amount of content in your feed.

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by hbn »

ineedasername wrote: post #844

What’s the viability (I guess legally?) of creating an app that bypasses the API and just scrapes Reddit and parses it to something roughly equivalent to what these 3rd party apps were doing?

I'd hazard to guess it'd be technically feasible with the old UI, but the new UI is such dogshit it doesn't even work in a browser where it's intended to be used half the time. Factor in A/B tests and the random UI tweaks and updates I'm sure they do everyday, I'd say probably not worth the effort.

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by ethbr0 »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #276
waif wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the web collectively swings back in the other direction, to the fediverse or some other evolution, there will be a revival of small indie clients, and a revival of a better web in general. Twitter is in freefall and Reddit is on the verge of it, so it might not be a long wait.

The anti-federation argument has always been that centralized entities have the resources to make a better product. And if that's true, then Apollo is the exception to the rule. Reddit has a team with dozens of engineers, while Apollo has one developer with some part time help. So why is Apollo so much better than the official app? What the pro-centralization argument misses is that centralized apps also have incenti…

> The anti-federation argument has always been that centralized entities have the resources to make a better product.

I wouldn't phrase it like that.

I'd say 'The anti-federation reality has always been that centralized entities have the authority to more quickly evolve their product.'

Whereas federated models have always had a terrible time upgrading standards in a timely manner, even when upgrades are obviously needed.

However, products typically exist in distinct phrases -- rapid growth/evolution is eventually followed by stability/maturity.

Once the product switches to that latter mode, the evolutionary speed benefits of centralization dull.

Obvious example: AOL Instant Messenger and ICQ's initial popularity... before multi-client Trillian et al. became preferable... because the limited intersection feature set it supported already covered everything everyone wanted to do via IMs.

Reddit reached feature completion and maturity a while ago, which made it ripe for disruption via a decentralized clone.

However, they're just realizing the emperor has no clothes and their only remaining moat is their existing users, and users are a fickle moat.

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Post by lIIllIIllIIllII »

couchdb_ouchdb wrote: post #868

"I quickly put together a small app where I could input the prices and it would output monthly/yearly cost, cost for free users, paid users, etc. so I'd be able to process the information immediately." Someone should tell this dude about Excel.

I actually prefer writing little JS apps to do stuff like this to using Excel.

Which I don't even have on my personal computer now that I think about it.

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