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Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by chillbill »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #194
chillbill wrote: post #79

I haven't seen anyone bring this up, so I will. I read through the original blog post from JeanHeyd[1] and in no way do they mention anything related to being a person of color, why then does JT associate it with that? I have no idea about the inner workings of the rust leadership team and who they are even, but from the timeline described and from the original post, there's nothing the could be related to that. Jean…

"White" is rather emphatically not like other ethnic or racial labels. Throughout the history of the US, who counts as "white" has been redefined many times to suit the political goals of the people at the time. In the era of the founding fathers, the Irish, Spaniards, Italians, all considered not white. Then during various times, often driving by waves of immigration of some other ethnicity people were freaking out…

I think your comment shows a level of ignorance on the matter that's not warranted. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You seem to genuinely care but you have not done enough work to understand the intricacies of the topic. It's a difficult one, and you don't have to if you don't want to, but to lecture me on my phrasing shows a deep level of ideological holding that you may have, I would advise you to listen/read more, and always steelman your arguments.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by chillbill »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #247
diydsp wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...Calling a PoC ignorant, lecturing them and imploring them to read about racism... whew... Them having been on the other side of the saddle, I'd bet they're familiar. How about simply listening to what they have to say without instruction, seeing their perspective and taking it in?

I assumed nothing about the person and am simply relating history.

You're relating ideological narrative that fits your political beliefs.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by patrick451 »

pphysch wrote: post #687
patrick451 wrote: post #683

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The hype around Julia definitely gives Rust a run for it's money.

"in Julia" yields 25 pages of results on HN, while "in Rust" has >100 pages alongside other popular langs.

What's your point? The target market of Julia is mostly scientific, not general purpose computing. That market is almost certain to have a smaller representation on HN. I'd actually contend that for a language with such a targeted to have 25 pages of results HN supports my point rather than debunks it.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by patrick451 »

cookieperson wrote: post #815
patrick451 wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hype around Julia definitely gives Rust a run for it's money.

Julia doesn't even operate in the same space as rust... Julia is closer to go lang than it is to rust and I wouldn't say those two languages are similar at all. Also if I were picking a language on community alone, I'd pick rust. The issues going on here are not reminiscent of the community at all. Julia also had drama over conferences and allowing members to speak...

So what? Nothing you have said has anything to whatsoever to do with hype.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by hongsy »

mberning wrote: post #158

Is there anything more pathetic than the internecine fighting of a bunch of nerds? The level of emotional maturity and “life experience” on display is of a 15 year old level, at best. The fact that this is still going for many days after the fact proves my point. The histrionics over a very minor slight is over the top. Just quit it.

what does "internecine" mean?

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by grzm »

hongsy wrote: post #867
mberning wrote: post #158

Is there anything more pathetic than the internecine fighting of a bunch of nerds? The level of emotional maturity and “life experience” on display is of a 15 year old level, at best. The fact that this is still going for many days after the fact proves my point. The histrionics over a very minor slight is over the top. Just quit it.

what does "internecine" mean?

> 1 : of, relating to, or involving conflict within a group

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/internecine

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by snovv_crash »

adrianN wrote: post #854
snovv_crash wrote: post #665

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Rust is winning marketshare because it was built ground-up to take advantage of the massive progression of Moore's Law at compile time. Compiling programs written in Rust would have been completely infeasible 20 years ago, it would have simply been too slow.

C++ doesn't compile that much faster than Rust.

Modern C++, I agree. C++98 is a lot faster to compile though, even the same code using the same standard library calls.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by deterministic »

xyzzyz wrote: post #484
fatneckbeard wrote: post #406

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Yeah I worry about this. There was no "C leadership", it was simple enough that dozens of people created their own compilers within a few years of C existing. this was back before the internet. they had companies sprouting up like Borland just making C compilers for personal home computers. C just ... spread. All these kids learning Arduino in school, they are learning C. There basically is no other usable compiler t…

Rust is winning market from C and C++ precisely because of strong technical leadership and direction. It couldn’t have made much progress by taking similar hands off approach as C, because C is already more than good enough C.

Nope. Most languages have strong leadership and zero chance of taking anything from C/C++. And it will takes a very long time for Rust to get even 5% of the C/C++ market. There are more than 6 million C++ programmers out there. And new C++ projects are started every day.
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