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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by ramblenode »

smikhanov wrote: post #771
cambaceres wrote: post #749

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I don’t know what country you live in, but I can tell you how it is in Sweden. As a freelancer I pay appropriately 70% of what I charge in taxes. How high do you think taxes can get before people stop putting energy into raising their productivity?

Nobody can be fully certain of this, but I suspect all the way up to 100%

I believe this is why the income tax is so popular with economists. Other taxes create some type of negative feedback where raising the tax decreases transactions and shifts capital elsewhere. But with the income tax people have no choice but to keep working and may even have to work more. So the "economy" benefits because more labor/capital can be squeezed out of individuals without slowing anything down.

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Post by efficientsticks »

simonh wrote: post #855
ChatGTP wrote: post #842

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I’d say this AI and all those that follow are children of capitalism. It’s all about consolidating power and wealth as quickly as possible. Now we’re in an AI arms race. Sounds terrifying? It is. America might tear itself apart if it doesn’t slow down a bit. Right now, there’s no one behind the wheel.

It actually seems to be about distributing power as much as possible. The effort right now with LLMs such as by Microsoft and Google is to rush to make them available to as many people as possible as cheaply as possible, even for free. That’s because this way they can create the maximum amount of value as efficiently as possible, with MS and Google skimming off the top of it all through advertising. I’m sure premium…

Normal people are not rational agents.

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Post by ResearchCode »

renewiltord wrote: post #532
pavlov wrote: post #492

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The grandparent comment does contain a definition: “A […] system that […] would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier” That would be a fair system regardless of the specifics of how it’s achieved.

Well, then we have been living in a system that's as close to fair as possible since global individual wealth has been growing for a long time. The few times we had it shrink significantly over some period of time is when local populations attempted forced wealth distribution. Our present system, by this definition, is amazing!

Wealth in the sense buy your own home is not growing for the average person. It's decreasing.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by sigstoat »

dkqmduems wrote: post #305
sigstoat wrote: post #275

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> Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? if you'd like the standard of living of a few centuries ago, you can probably fund that by programming for a couple hours a week. instead you want entertainments, medicines and foods that take correspondingly more effort to produce.

Eggs are still eggs no?

now they come in nice little disposable cardboard boxes, and they're available within a mile or two of your home, 365 days a year, probably about 24/7, regardless of season, or any diseases sweeping through the chicken population. it's possible you've never had to smell chicken shit in your entire life. they're sorted by size, graded by the USDA, run through certified facilities with quality control experts doing I don't even know what, but i'd wager a cookie you vote for people who pass food safety laws, so i'm assuming you approve of those QC folks.

if we round up and say a dozen eggs costs $5 right now, and then use CPI to go backwards to 1913, what we're getting would've cost $0.16 then. the first website i found says that a dozen eggs cost $0.37 in 1913. i realize there's some circularity in there with eggs being part of the CPI calculation, sorry.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by calf »

Julesman wrote: post #377
michael_nielsen wrote: post #304

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Your comment is amazing in its lack of empathy. Everything you write can be true, and this can still be disastrous for some individual, whose life may be badly damaged.

This. Empathy. People acting like they sound smart when they talk like a USC sophomore who equates logic with truth. As if the human condition were an actuary table. As if triage was a guiding principle of human culture. This kind of thinking slips easily into fascism. Ayn Rand writ large. Such a lack of nuance. We can pragmatically recognize that pandora's box has been opened and also, at the same time, have an ounc…

Well their user name is Logical Monster, so.

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Post by therealdrag0 »

cambaceres wrote: post #780
smikhanov wrote: post #771

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Nobody can be fully certain of this, but I suspect all the way up to 100%

We can actually be certain that humans work the other way since we ran huge experiments in labs called the Soviet Union and China. In those experiments we found out that people worked way less/not at all when there was no economic incentive to do so.

Sure that’s risky for 100% of population. But for 0.1 percent of population who makes many millions a year, who cares? No one is that special of a snowflake we need to optimize for their productivity. Most of those people are either already workaholics or already retired on a yatch.

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Post by fbrncci »

cambaceres wrote: post #767
__pache__ wrote: post #755

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I’m still a high earner so I’m fine. I still have approximately $7500/month after my taxes are paid. That’s a lot since all medical care, 1 year parental leave, my kids education from kindergarten through high school etc are “free”, e.g. paid with my taxes. My point was not to complain but to say to the guy that claims that we need a new system with more wealth distribution that those systems already exist. There are…

I was earning similarly in Europe. The moment I realized how much tax I was paying (51% bracket), I moved to Asia to work remotely. I honestly don’t care what’s being paid from my taxes, but to me that amount felt like theft. I now pay ~20% while being well above 10k after taxes.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by therealdrag0 »

dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #807
smikhanov wrote: post #771

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Nobody can be fully certain of this, but I suspect all the way up to 100%

I wonder why people endlessly argue how much they should tax the rich and the poor, there is only one answer: 100% of everything, i.e wealth, income, gifts etc. It's a nice round number and everybody is taxed fairly.

Wth. Are you trolling or what?

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Post by selimthegrim »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #145
netbioserror wrote: post #86

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What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

The French have a saying "Life begins after retirement". They find meaning, fulfillment and contentment in, for example, stretching a meal out over 4 hours through conversation. Whether the French viewpoint or the American viewpoint is healthier can be found in the mortality rates.

Well I guess that explains “My Dinner With André” then

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Post by satvikpendem »

fbrncci wrote: post #867
cambaceres wrote: post #767

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I’m still a high earner so I’m fine. I still have approximately $7500/month after my taxes are paid. That’s a lot since all medical care, 1 year parental leave, my kids education from kindergarten through high school etc are “free”, e.g. paid with my taxes. My point was not to complain but to say to the guy that claims that we need a new system with more wealth distribution that those systems already exist. There are…

I was earning similarly in Europe. The moment I realized how much tax I was paying (51% bracket), I moved to Asia to work remotely. I honestly don’t care what’s being paid from my taxes, but to me that amount felt like theft. I now pay ~20% while being well above 10k after taxes.

This is why comparisons between the US and Europe regarding wages are always fraught. For some people, it makes sense to pay a lot of tax for the benefits it confers. For others, like you and me it seems, it is not really worth it to pay that much tax and not really receive the rewards. But everyone who discusses conflates some people's preferences to suddenly be everyone's preferences, and this is simply not a true comparison.
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