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Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by truchococookie »

I worked at Twitter.

That place is full of folks who are truly of a "rest and vest" mindset. They are also very political (left leaning) and biased. Which really affects moderation and the so called "open" culture. That "open" propaganda they push on their career website is really based on incrowd psychology.

There are a few gems but the really good ones left already. Now it's just the last leafs waiting to fall off the trees which are still standing. The bird has been resting and vesting on leafless trees for a long time. I would be weary hiring a developer from there knowing their record.

It's full of people trying to justify their roles to themselves and their peers with unecessary rewrite schemes for a long time.

The bird needed to migrate for a long time. I am happy it has finally sought a better climate.

However winter is coming.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by pydry »

sbf501 wrote: post #327
colechristensen wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, there’s nowhere else for cable news to pull hot takes from social media.

This is the true lifeblood of Twitter. I think if someone created Twitter for journalists, pundits, wonks, and politicians -ONLY- maybe it would be a place to go? Like something that requires a journalism credential, or a TV host, or an actually office holder title. Sure there'd be crazies, but at least there'd be a source for hot takes. Twitter could still exist for "citizen journalism", but the two wouldn't mix as…

He will probably cleave twitter in two - something for journalists and celebrities and then an equivalent of the demonetized youtube space for the people advertisers dont want to associate with.

Instead of banning accounts he will just make them second class citizens.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by cudgy »

pavlov wrote: post #853

I worked at Facebook and remember what it was like to first face the total complexity of the system. It’s really hard for me to imagine myself working at a company that deals almost exclusively with machine-generated data (as Tesla does) and being assigned to judge a social platform’s engineering qualify in one day . Cars and spaceships on a closed network are fundamentally “clean” compared to having hundreds of mill…

Yes, software is typically more complex than a laymen would expect once all of the edge cases and layers of legacy code or “guano” are implemented. However, I doubt that these outside developers are expected to understand everything in a single day.

There are legitimate questions regarding how certain sections of the Twitter code operate as it relates to censorship, which is a primary reason Elon purchased Twitter. Given the activist mentality (and possibly hostile to new ownership) of a certain number of developers, it seems perhaps prudent to analyze the code and evaluate the existing developers immediately upon purchase of the company.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by trashtester »

pavlov wrote: post #853

I worked at Facebook and remember what it was like to first face the total complexity of the system. It’s really hard for me to imagine myself working at a company that deals almost exclusively with machine-generated data (as Tesla does) and being assigned to judge a social platform’s engineering qualify in one day . Cars and spaceships on a closed network are fundamentally “clean” compared to having hundreds of mill…

My guess is that at least part of the reason to bring in these devs, is to make sure none of the code or git histories (or their backups) are tampered with.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by IshKebab »

DeathArrow wrote: post #726
mikeryan wrote: post #282

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If these numbers are right and they're laying off 50% the workforce, half of me wonders how much Parag could raise to build a new Twitter from scratch and just hire 500 - 1000 talented folks off the street for the venture, I mean if Travis K could raise almost a billion for his shitty ghost kitchen venture I'd have to think they could get enough runway to get something launched pretty quickly. There's so many "What w…

>half of me wonders how much Parag could raise to build a new Twitter from scratch That would probably amount in $0. Twitter wasn't profitable and part of it was its CEO. Why would investors be willing to lose money, especially in the current economic situation? I would rather wait for Elon to stabilize Twitter and go public again.

Twitter wasn't too far off profitability. I looked at the numbers and you could definitely get it to profitability by reducing staff numbers and relocating to much cheaper places (literally anywhere except SV).

I think their loss was around $200m/year and staff costs around $300m/year. Something like that. SV salaries are easily double or triple European salaries.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by matwood »

sangnoir wrote: post #559
longrod wrote: post #448

I think people are looking at this the wrong way. It's not so much about the code as it is about establishing an authority. Musk takeover is often regarded as banditry and I wouldn't be surprised if the employees didn't take him seriously in the beginning. This is his way of saying, "I don't trust you, I don't know what you have been up to but things are going to be different so better get used to it." Using Tesla en…

> It's not so much about the code as it is about establishing an authority I think there's a simpler explanation: he intends to fire people under the pretext of poor performance and play games with layoffs/severance and/or create a hostile environment to encourage employees to resign (no severance either). > You have to understand that Musk isn't after the big dollar here but rather he is experimenting which has a lo…

> I think there's a simpler explanation: he intends to fire people under the pretext of poor performance and play games with layoffs/severance and/or create a hostile environment to encourage employees to resign (no severance either).

Based on the reports that came out after your comment that he doesn't want to pay the execs their severances, I think you're spot on.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by concordDance »

throwawayacc2 wrote: post #841
TheChaplain wrote: post #783

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Comments like this makes me lose faith i humanity. If I were a engineer at Twitter, I'd do my absolute best up to the minute I have to leave the premises. Because I would care about the company, my colleagues and most importantly for the >200m people who use Twitter for fun, educational, business and those who depend on it. But it's probably because I'm an old beard, who value being honest and ethical, to be the bett…

Comments like this make me wonder just how divergent peoples outlook on life are. I’m with the guy you responded too, making a billionaire lose money is way funnier and interesting. But even in a normal company, I never really understood this loyalty/ethics thing. To me, it makes sense to do the very, very bear minimum and “steal” as much time as possible. So you can use it for your self. A job is you selling time to…

Sure,don't be loyal to the company. But loyalty to individuals who work there and your end users? That I think is important.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by aliqot »

pavlov wrote: post #853

I worked at Facebook and remember what it was like to first face the total complexity of the system. It’s really hard for me to imagine myself working at a company that deals almost exclusively with machine-generated data (as Tesla does) and being assigned to judge a social platform’s engineering qualify in one day . Cars and spaceships on a closed network are fundamentally “clean” compared to having hundreds of mill…

> drive fear at Twitter

Auditing what you just bought is about as smart as taking the used car you just bought to the shop to get everything checked over and tightened and lubricated.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by manuelabeledo »

aliqot wrote: post #868
pavlov wrote: post #853

I worked at Facebook and remember what it was like to first face the total complexity of the system. It’s really hard for me to imagine myself working at a company that deals almost exclusively with machine-generated data (as Tesla does) and being assigned to judge a social platform’s engineering qualify in one day . Cars and spaceships on a closed network are fundamentally “clean” compared to having hundreds of mill…

> drive fear at Twitter Auditing what you just bought is about as smart as taking the used car you just bought to the shop to get everything checked over and tightened and lubricated.

Right. But smart people would take a mechanic with them before buying the car.

A meaningful audit at Twitter would take months. This is but a stunt.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by GolfPopper »

jxf wrote: post #689
willio58 wrote: post #686

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I 100% object to code reviews in this way. If you have dignity as a developer you’d quit swiftly.

My advice to someone earlier in their career would not be to quit, but to make them pay you while you look for your next job if the writing is already on the wall.

Yep. Phone it in while you job hunt, without making it completely obvious that's what you doing.

I'd be a little surprised if most twitter devs (and anyone else) who can leave, and aren't personally invested in Twitter, are not already doing this.

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