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Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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Here's a question for tether "investors": why are you investing in something whose stated goal is to maintain a peg to the USD instead of, you know, just holding money in US dollars? You're adding a bunch of risk for literally no upside. The only thing you gain is to to trade that on the blockchain, which is really a response to the oracle problem. So you've greatly increased your risk with no upside to slightly incr…

> You're adding a bunch of risk for literally no upside. You mine a Bitcoin that 'should' be worth 5k USD, but is instead selling 60k USDT. So instead of selling that Bitcoin for 5k, you instead sell ~8% of your Bitcoin for 5k USDT, pay your expenses, and keep the other 92% of the Bitcoin you mined.

How is that in any way not a scheme? Barring endless minting, market efficiency would guarantee either unlimited funds or the collapse of the currency.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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Unless the auditors (Grant Thornton, a reputable large company) are lying, they have 1:1 https://www.centre.io/hubfs/PDF/2022%20Circle%20Examination%...

They do until they don't. Do you know where that money is and how is it insured?

That’s theoretically what the audit validates. You don’t have to know if the experts do and attest to that.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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How is it overcollateralized? If someone buys on Dai token for $1 then where do the backers of Dai get the extra $0.66?

I encourage you to do your own research, there is more than enough information out there. The basic jist is that there are two ways of getting Dai, either 1. buying it from someone else with Dai (no extra $0.66) 2. minting it as a loan collateralized by your holdings in some other crypto (which requires $1 + X% backing) where X varies depending on the crypto. I believe you also get paid some "stability" fees for doin…

166% collateral doesn't seem so safe in a market where swings of 20%+ are not uncommon and 50%+ are not unheard of. Plus the value of many cryptocurrencies seem to be correlated and they will shed value together in a bad market. I think the thing that would give me the most confidence is the large portion of USDC collateral - but why not just use USDC then?

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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I encourage you to do your own research, there is more than enough information out there. The basic jist is that there are two ways of getting Dai, either 1. buying it from someone else with Dai (no extra $0.66) 2. minting it as a loan collateralized by your holdings in some other crypto (which requires $1 + X% backing) where X varies depending on the crypto. I believe you also get paid some "stability" fees for doin…

166% collateral doesn't seem so safe in a market where swings of 20%+ are not uncommon and 50%+ are not unheard of. Plus the value of many cryptocurrencies seem to be correlated and they will shed value together in a bad market. I think the thing that would give me the most confidence is the large portion of USDC collateral - but why not just use USDC then?

> 166% collateral doesn't seem so safe in a market where swings of 20%+ are not uncommon and 50%+ are not unheard of

If vault gets below the $1 + X%, then it is automatically auctioned. You can imagine quickly being able to switch the collateral backing to USDC by voting to raise the X for ETH while vaults are being liquidated in auction.

basically, if ETH falls like this, demand for Dai will skyrocket due to the auctions, and the only collateralization left will be the stable collateral.

The people most likely to be screwed are vault holders whose collateral is auctioned at a discount to boost the price of Dai, but the Dai will remain stable.

> why not just use USDC then?

Because being diversified is good and USDC is entirely centralized.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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> redeem at Tether Find me one person that has ever done this. Just one. I will wait.

I've done this for years via Bitfinex. Occasionally the wires are a couple days late but never any issues.

Were you redeeming at Tether, or were you redeeming at Bitfinex and they were selling the Tether on the open market to someone else and sending you the proceeds?

I think what the OP is saying is that there is not a reliable account of someone going to Tether with 100k USDT and having Tether give them $100k USD.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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Funny to see such a post from a project with a whitepaper that starts with "It enables communities around the world to issue and manage their own currency-as-a-service (CaaS), to circulate among their local population. This leads to stronger communities, greater sustainability, less poverty, and more productivity."

Does intercoin cure cancer?

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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It's the greater fool theory. I lauched at friends of my fatherinlaw back in 2018 when they were buying bitcoin at 15k. Obviously it popped. Today it's down 50% on ATH, but it's still more than double it's 2018 bubble level.

> It's the greater fool theory. Is BTC any more greater fool than USD? If so, why do you believe so?

People don't buy USD to HODL, they spend it.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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I don't understand how you bodge a stable coin startup. Surely you just mint the tokens in exchange for dollars, and then put ~50% of the dollars in zero risk investments (some form of treasury bonds), and then take the 0.5-1% interest per year as your revenue. Tether currently has $81b marketcap so you could be making $400-800m per year doing basically nothing?

Great, you've invented a boring old bank. That's not innovation. (Well, technically an unlicensed wildcat bank, but still) Literally the only new thing about blockchains is an ecologically destructive brute-force solution to the byzantine generals problem. However, it turns out nobody except CS students cares much about that, so they have to dress it up with cartoon apes and web3 buzzwords.

It’s also a bank with low Tx fees and fast Tx at any time of day, anywhere in the world. Something that is bafflingly still hard to find.

Re: Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did

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The best poker ai, as far as I’m aware based on things shown on hn, don’t consider past opponent behavior when making decisions. It’s effectively just a lookup table of hands and bets. Not perfect play but generally better than humans.

Better than humans at all levels, or your average player? Are you suggesting that every Casino publishes an AI derived win rate for poker by law?

Perfect play, by definition, evens out. If everyone plays perfectly, then the ev should be zero (modified by position around the table). So it should balance to zero if everyone plays an equal number of hands from every position. The payoff would be adjusted by the rake.
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