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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by mint2 »

refurb wrote: post #280
defaultname wrote: post #265

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"Last poll I saw (Ipsos) said 1 out of 3 Canadians support the protest" That grossly misrepresented poll asked only if respondents sympathize with their cause . If you agree that mandates need to go. Note that when asked directly, 60-70% of Canada are over mandates, and just being asked to show sympathy already lost 50% of those people. But this doesn't mean that those people support this protest. Indeed, in subseque…

I’m not sure we disagree? 46% having sympathy shows it’s not a vocal minority in the least. And sympathy is a kind of support. I mean, you can have support without sympathy for the cause they are protesting? 22% said they should stay, so 1 out of 5 directly support it.

Note on the definition of sympathy. One can have sympathy for where someone’s coming from but completely disagree and be opposed to an action it inspires them to take.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by gorwell »

vorpalhex wrote: post #8

> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by AlishaOwen »

motohagiography wrote: post #837

None of this is a surprise to anyone who has been watching. I could characterize it in a number of ways, but there is nobody left to persuade. Given some obvious inevatabilities that flow downstream of this, what's the smart thing to do as an individual? If you are aligned to the official narrative, the incentives are to double down to make sure nobody suspects you of disloyalty if it prevails. If you are on the side…

States perfectly a lot of things which were sitting sort of unstated at the back of my mind, thank you.

Trying to avoid the black pill today by reminding myself that this is all being done to maintain a mandate to cross international borders, and what was probably the real prize (domestic vaccine passports for access to public life) seems to be hanging by an increasingly thin thread.

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Post by Nursie »

rubatuga wrote: post #842
squarefoot wrote: post #274

I'm usually all in favor of workers protesting; not this time however. During war time food and resources are rationed; does people complain against the government? Nope. So why during a pandemic that in just two years killed 5 fucking millions people -and counting- should they protest against perfectly sound measures? Am I missing something, or "get vaccinated" doesn't even sound close to "one loaf of bread per day…

“Perfectly sound” crumbles on further inspection. First the protest is time sensitive. Consider all the relaxations that are happening with restrictions not only in Canada but globally. Canada has some of the most strict Covid laws in the world. Next the omicron virus is less dangerous, 90% of Canadians are vaccinated, and we have treatments for Covid patients in hospital. Your reasoning implies we should still be ge…

Look into how long Britain was on rations after WWII...

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Post by YZF »

swader999 wrote: post #771
YZF wrote: post #638

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At least some were flying confederate flags... Well, in my province it's not a problem. There you prove point #1, this is not a federal issue. What province are you in? In my province leaders aren't pushing tighter restrictions. It doesn't matter what your grievances are, you don't get to park your truck in the middle of the street and break the law. Not in this country. Whether they "right" or "wrong" doesn't even f…

The Confederate flag was carried by one person completely covered and anonymous. The flag was brand new, still creased from the packaging. Trudeau's personal photographer was photographed following this person while taking pictures. There's several videos of many people in the protest harassing this person until they are forced to leave.

I would say this is a case of tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are.

So yeah, the guys with the Nazi flags, the confederate flags, the US flags, they're all Trudeau's agents. Right.

Flying the Canadian flag in this sort of divisive protest is honestly evidence enough of who we're dealing with here. You don't get to appropriate the flag, you don't get to appropriate the term "freedom". If you stand with those guys then it's clear who you stand with. Criticism and healthy discussion is one thing, this is another. And I agree the health measures should be gradually removed and the pandemic is basically over.

" Shimon Koffler Fogel, CEO of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs (CIJA), issued the following statement:

"Twenty-four hours after International Holocaust Remembrance Day and on The National Day of Remembrance of the Québec City Mosque Attack and Action against Islamophobia, there are Nazi flags being flown in public, in Canada, on Parliament Hill. This should be horrifying to all Canadians."

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https://www.cija.ca/nazi-flags-at-the-truckers-protest/

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

defaultname wrote: post #425
tdfx wrote: post #360

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> But if you try to force your political will through force [...] you have crossed a line and need to be reigned in Like forcing people out of their job for refusing a vaccine? Disclaimer: I'm vaccinated and I encourage everyone to do it. But no one should have to under threat to their livelihood, especially given the absurd logical inconsistencies of the mandate rules.

> Like forcing people out of their job for refusing a vaccine? Before vaccination was politicized in the US ( bizarrely , I must say, through mechanisms that I find absolutely baffling), many jobs had mandatory vaccinations. Most healthcare setting have mandatory yearly flu vaccinations, for instance. The military has a whole plethora of mandatory vaccinations, including some pretty crazy ones. And of course schools,…

> Suddenly it's a big issue. Ask yourself why.

I'm curious what your answer is. To me its obvious: people don't trust these vaccines (or these authorities) the way that they have trusted other vaccines with much longer histories of use.

The next why is a hairier question that a lot of people will have different answers for, but it all stems from that lack of trust.

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Post by rmbyrro »

_clhx wrote: post #665
sdsaga12 wrote: post #451

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Here is a YouTube channel that has been doing extended livestreams from the ground with both protestors and counter-protestors: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzGiDDKdphJ0GFvEd82WfYQ/vid... As I wrote elsewhere in this thread [1], I recommend taking a look at this channel or other extended livestreams to get a view from the ground if your impression of this event has been mostly shaped by articles. That recommendat…

Freedom of speech ends IMO when people can't sleep or enjoy the city they live in for a very extended time b/c of the 24/7 honking. I am all for demonstrating, but I think it is a little ridiculous what they are doing.

I think it's worth looking for a common ground that accommodates free speech and sleeping?

My personal opinion: your threshold to kill free speech is way, WAY too low.

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Post by motohagiography »

davidgay wrote: post #858
motohagiography wrote: post #837

None of this is a surprise to anyone who has been watching. I could characterize it in a number of ways, but there is nobody left to persuade. Given some obvious inevatabilities that flow downstream of this, what's the smart thing to do as an individual? If you are aligned to the official narrative, the incentives are to double down to make sure nobody suspects you of disloyalty if it prevails. If you are on the side…

You seem to be presenting yourself as objective with: > I could characterize it in a number of ways, but there is nobody left to persuade. but then you characterise one side with: > If you are aligned to the official narrative, the incentives are to double down to make sure nobody suspects you of disloyalty if it prevails. which is downright biased.

I'm not objective, I'm charitable and fair.

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Post by absoluteharam »

jsjsbdkj wrote: post #538
daenz wrote: post #353

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>The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Then why require the mandate? I haven't seen any answer to that question besides the implied: "because we demand full compliance."

Do you understand how public health works? The vaccine does not 100% prevent any infection, it reduces the odds and intensity. Some people cannot be vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons. You would think computer people would understand "defense in depth". Meanwhile, anti-vaccine people are single-handedly working to revive diseases that were almost eradicated: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/03/2…

it sounds like you’re using the post covid-19 definition of Vaccine.

It’s amazing that the definition of a word like vaccine could change suddenly, because it is was incompatible to one virus — a mysterious super virus whose origin is still unknown, according to the WHO.

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Post by dang »

908B64B197 wrote: post #751
sdsaga12 wrote: post #726

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I appear to have rate-limited from editing that comment after double clicking on mobile, but this is what I was going to add: Edit: As I note in the linked comment, this channel is openly supportive of the protests. As I also write there, a quick YouTube search will yield a large variety of other sources. The important thing is finding sources with long and unedited footage. As Jacques Ellul observed, "propaganda cea…

Interesting you are getting rate-limited for showing this.

There's no rate limit on that account and I have no idea what was happening there.
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