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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by blindmute »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I don't understand why people seem to be so befuddled by the concept that there can be legal actions which are not ethical or moral. I can legally buy a new puppy every month and give it to the pound. This is morally wrong, even despite agreeing that giving animals to the pound should be legal.

I see this same argument constantly, in nearly every discussion about a company doing anything bad. It's a meaningless point. Do you people posting things like this really not understand the distinction between right and legal? Or do you think moral considerations are beneath discussion?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by roamerz »

hagy wrote: post #806
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I agree that Spotify has the legal right to stop distributing any content they find objectionable. Anyone arguing that Spotify’s action is a first amendment violation is simply wrong. A private entity, like Spotify, can decide what content to distribute at their own discretion. I don’t think many people are making this argument. Instead, I think many of us are arguing that Spotify shouldn’t exercise that option just…

>chiefly culturally conservative prude

The difference in me (chiefly culturally conservative prude) and the liberal cancel culture is that I won’t try to silence someone’s choices based on my values. You may listen to whatever you want and I hope you get enjoyment out of it. I support your freedoms and a lot of good men have died to protect them.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jcims »

gunapologist99 wrote: post #504
jcims wrote: post #250

I grew up around evangelical Christians. The negative reaction to Rogan *feels* exactly like the clucking and tutting about 'dangerous ideas' that I've heard from the more cellophane elements of that crew.

This comment seems grossly overgeneralized and patently offensive about a huge group of people. What does Joe Rogan have to do at all with evangelical Christians?

Very fair point, it wasn't my intent to disparage broadly.

>heard from the more cellophane elements of that crew

I should have made this distinction more clear. There are evangelical Christians whom I love dearly and hold in the highest regard. I don't want to call anyone a 'fake' Christian but there are definitely those that just seem to be focused purely on what others should and should not be doing. That's the kind I'm talking about here.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by choward »

ok_dad wrote: post #438
Sparyjerry wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify doesn't realize this move is cancelling themselves. I just ended my premium sub to Spotify because of their move.

I mean, for every person here who says they’re canceling service, there’s another few who will happily support Spotify because they either don’t care or they want to see JR removed. Who cares if you do it? I’m not being snarky, just staring a fact.

You're literally stating something as a fact that you have no evidence of. Sounds like misinformation to me.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by skinkestek »

INTPenis wrote: post #719
throwawayrev3 wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also: Tidal https://tidal.com/ Deezer https://www.deezer.com/ Bandcamp https://bandcamp.com/ Jango https://www.jango.com/ Radio Paradise https://radioparadise.com/ There's also FOSS software for collaborative music with friends, musicians etc: Jamulus https://github.com/jamulussoftware/jamulus

As a long time Google Music user I don't understand why people never mention them. It's Youtube Music now. For 118SEK I get pretty much the same music as any other streaming service, PLUS all of youtube's content without ads, useful on chromecast. I realize you can get rid of the ads if you have a computer hooked up to your monitor but I really like the chromecast.

They killed (these are just my beefs, others have more):

- the variant of music that I used

- Google+

- search (well they silently replaced it with a non working version)

They are becoming more and more irrelevant for me.

That's why I forget Google Play Music.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by choward »

dogma1138 wrote: post #564
rendall wrote: post #485

I guess I incorrectly remember, when the contract was first reported, that any censorship on the part of Spotify would be considered a breach and Rogan could walk away with his show and the $100M payment. Anyone else remember it that way?

I think that was mainly FUD there is no way that they would’ve put that in there at least not in a manner that could be triggered by simply removing an episode. There might be some material breach clauses there around censorship but it would guess if there are they are worded in a manner that can only be triggered if Spotify directly forces Joe to say something or to bring a specific guest to say something for exampl…

Just curious, how exactly is that FUD? It's not the F, the U or the D.

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Post by tastyfreeze »

smus wrote: post #777
Hermel wrote: post #609

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they are free to do what they want. But if they do something unethical, like removing content for political reasons, I'm also free to criticize them and for example demand a refund if they lured me into a subscription by claiming I would be able to listen to Joe Rogan. Also, you are making wild assumptions about the contract between Joe Rogan and Spotify. Maybe there's a clause in there that they will not o…

It's unethical to publish content that promotes white supremacists, even indirectly. Don't see how it's unethical to censor it though

Rogan has never promoted white supremacists. That is slander by the media.
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