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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by causi »

erhk wrote: post #788
greatgib wrote: post #712

> Clearly a flawed conclusion. For the result of their experiment they deduced what they wanted it to say. Because we can easily say that the effect is not "dislike attacking" but other effects: - shy people more afraid to give their opinion not knowing that others have done the same. - the feature feeling useless, as even if you dislike, you might thing that you click will worth nothing as no one will see it. Imagin…

This is a weak facade to enact a change they want for other reasons. The real question is what the underlying reason is. I imagine likes will also depart soon as youtube trends toward netflix. I wonder what platform will replace it then

Tiktok is already eating youtube's lunch. This is the act of a desperate animal trying to find some magic key to win its mindshare back. Which is a shame, because I like youtube's content a lot more than tiktok's.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by rpz »

Navigate to the cdc's youtube channel and click through their recent videos, most of them have more dislikes than likes, especially if the video is related to the covid vaccines.

Search "covid vaccine" and have a look through those as well. Plenty of them have many more dislikes than likes, especially if the video is about mandates and or from MSM.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by bsdetector »

throwawaywindev wrote: post #843
aww wrote: post #821

I have never ever looked at the dislike counts to judge a video. I am baffled by most of the top comments here, that express frustration or outright anger about this. I don't think like counts are relevant to me either. When I consume YouTube (and I have a premium membership which I am happy with) I either know the creator well or I have to trust the search and recommendation algorithms to give me good content for my…

Agreed, my first thought was why don’t they remove the Like button too?

Think about the worst of the worst ideologies.

Previously if you were linked their videos it might have 1000 upvotes and 100,000 downvotes, and it would be obviously terrible. Now you just see 1000 upvotes and it would look like it has substantial support.

Google can and does remove videos they simply dislike by using nebulous policies against 'hate' or 'meanness' or similar. Removing dislike then, by and large, helps push those unpopular views that Google themselves approve of.

Does removing likes let them accomplish that? They can still remove videos that trigger them, but without a like count they can't push their ideology with the appearance of support.

I believe this is the actual reason why they will show upvotes but not downvotes, and as prediction I expect them to remove total views since that allows for estimating the viewer sentiment based on likes per view (or make it useless for estimation, for example replacing a count with big buckets like "thousands" or "millions").

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by Klaster_1 »

gremloni wrote: post #595
nickjj wrote: post #67

Bummer. I often use like vs dislike ratios as a gauge on whether a video is worth watching. If I see a 3,000 up / 48 down video on a topic I'm interested in there's a really good chance the video is great. I'm a small time creator (~13.5k subs) and don't care at all about upvotes or downvotes being public. There's only been a handful of videos out of hundreds that received more downvotes than expected because the vid…

The problem is people also use it as a propaganda tool to bury videos they don’t politically agree with. Normies have much lowered like/dislike button engagement so it’s a disservice to the vast majority.

There's another side to this too - downvote the authoritarian state propaganda. When I see a 99% disliked video and click a "Dislike", I feel that I am not alone. When all forms of political participation are verboten, you use what you have. Now we have even less.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by subsection1h »

aww wrote: post #821

I have never ever looked at the dislike counts to judge a video. I am baffled by most of the top comments here, that express frustration or outright anger about this. I don't think like counts are relevant to me either. When I consume YouTube (and I have a premium membership which I am happy with) I either know the creator well or I have to trust the search and recommendation algorithms to give me good content for my…

You must watch very simple, popular content, in which case, yes, you're part of the majority. Congrats.

I rarely watch videos, but when I do, it's complex technical material relating to a niche subject. A high dislike-to-like ratio is a clear indication that the content is inaccurate. Not offensive or boring or too long, just inaccurate. And because the content is complex, I can't just skim it and identify inaccuracies.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by GhettoComputers »

dntrkv wrote: post #854
inChargeOfIT wrote: post #647

This will make the site useless for finding new content and content creators. And what's the point of a Like count without a Dislike count? I'll just assume every video has as many, if not more, dislikes and will turn to other sources for finding quality content (if at all). And they might as well get rid of the comments section too cause that's where people will voice their opinions.. but maybe that's part of the pl…

HN doesn't show dislikes and it manages to surface content better than the vast majority of aggregators and forums out there. Subreddits that remove the dislike function have much better content and levels of discourse. Removing dislikes (hiding them being step one) seems to be one of the better ways to improve the quality of content and commentary. Just for the fact that it removes the ability of a single group to b…

It shows total score though. Moderators and a community culture with quality control matters way more, there is no evidence that it increases quality. Just look at 4chan with no scores.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by systemvoltage »

mike741 wrote: post #562

Since it's about to be hidden and unverifiable: Susan Wojcicki's "Freedom of Expression Award" (sponsored by Youtube) video currently has 227 upvotes, 56000 downvotes, and 185000 views. That's a 99.6% downvote ratio.

Btw, they removed this from google search and also google video search.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by schleck8 »

oceanplexian wrote: post #549
gorwell wrote: post #383

This is another example of how the ruling class is trying to reassert control over the narrative and flow of information. Flag dissent as `misinformation`, remove comments, remove dislikes. Bit by bit, clamping down on the ability for the public to revolt.

They've also manipulated search results in the last few years. Before ~2018 if you searched for a political debate, the top result was likely to be an independent content creator or someone who was there, a vlog, or something like that. Now it's all.. FOX, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc. I wonder if the legacy media is paying Google behind the scenes to promote content.

Definitely true, I also noticed this with the BLM protests. There were almost no uncommented videos, all just tv recordings from the large channels. And the few uncommented videos I found were from news stations as well.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by Gentil »

As much as I would love to give the benefit of the doubt, this is purely about increasing engagement. Disliking something was a very easy way to say I don't like this.

When something controversial happens from now onwards, you will have engage in the comment section. Humans cannot just move on when they have strong feelings about something like Politics or Climate change for example. With the dislike button gone, most people will feel the need to say you don't like/agree with a video. How do you do that? Comments. The negative engagement makes Youtube/Google money. This has been a known fact for a long time. This way they can cash on it more with increased engagement.

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