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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by kccqzy »

rafaelm wrote: post #778
s0rce wrote: post #762

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Undocumented people have been able to get the vaccine in California without paying so you can get it and don't need to pay.

Can confirm, lots of people from my country have been traveling to Miami to get the shot. Some go for 10 days to get the Johnson shot (single dose), because they can't/don't want to spend a month for the two doses. According to what I've heard, you can just walk into any Walgreens/pharmacy to get it, without paying or getting an ID check. Not sure how legal that is though. I understand that those should be for tax-pa…

Does that actually inflate the vaccination rate in Miami then? I don't think vaccine access should be limited to citizens (let alone tax paying ones) but at least the statistics should be clear in pointing out whether or not the vaccinations are for residents, or for tourists. The real vaccination rate among residents in Miami could be much lower then.

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Post by renaudg »

SergeAx wrote: post #856
thehappypm wrote: post #183

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Because getting COVID becomes a problem for every person you come in contact with! Getting vaccinated protects you first, but also stops you from personally handing a disease to everyone you're in contact with. The people around you shouldn't be punished because you like Fox News.

No, getting vaccinated is not stops anyone from transmitting disease, it is obvious. Virus gets to breathing system of vaccinated people same as for unvaccinated, and replicates there for 4-6 days. Then they either have a vaccine breakthrough, or vaccine-boosted immune system kicks in and defeats the virus in next 2-3 days. All this time the vaccinated host is as dangerous for others as unvaccinated. I hope you didn'…

> All this time the vaccinated host is as dangerous for others as unvaccinated.

This is categorically false, sorry : https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1429449468261322759

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Post by jedmeyers »

breck wrote: post #663
michaelbuckbee wrote: post #221

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I recent came across a technique for having a more substantial discussion and it was to ask: "Well, what would it take for you to change your mind?" Not that this is a silver bullet that automatically leads to peace and harmony, but it's a step in the right direction.

> Well, what would it take for you to change your mind? For me number one would be: if the CDC starts tracking re-infection rate in the non-vaccinated, and puts that data front and center as key KPIs on all their releases.

What do you expect to see from that data alone? How much immunity and for how long the actual covid infection provides?

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Post by SergeAx »

rootusrootus wrote: post #665
linuxftw wrote: post #247

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100% false. The vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission.

They do reduce it, however, even in the case of breakthrough infections.

I would love to see some statistical data on this topic. Anecdotal observation is that vaccinated people becoming more careless with masks and social distancing. See also Britain and Israel latest waves almost the same magnitude as January waves (but, of course, much less deadly).

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Post by myko »

dham wrote: post #567
wombatpm wrote: post #440

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J&J and AZ are more traditional vaccines. People have been looking for treatments hence the HCQ and invermectin investigations. Look at how long it took them to make steroids a standard treatment option. We now have a variant that is more contagious (delta) I’m waiting for the variant that is more deadly.

A virus doesn't become more contagious and deadly. It can only do one or the other. Think good, fast, cheap in programing terms. Pick 2.

> A virus doesn't become more contagious and deadly.

This is a misconception actually. It really just depends. It is fair to say that if a virus is more deadly in a shorter time period it is less likely to become more contagious, but it isn't necessarily true.

Especially with viruses like COVID-19 which are spreadable before symptoms start.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by goostavos »

dfxm12 wrote: post #822
goostavos wrote: post #792

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Pure fwiw, I currently do not plan to get the vaccine (but reserve the right to change my mind! ^_^). I'm not anti-vax by any means. I'm simply just hesitant with this vax, but encourage others with a different risk profile to get it. It boils down to a really muddy mix of small things that all sum up to a decision against it. For instance, I'm not the risk group and, due to being super medically conservative for _ev…

Why do you let the opinions of some out group determine your behavior? If you're looking for advice, is there someone you trust with a credentialed medical opinion you can talk to about this instead, like your family physician? Also, do keep in mind the premise here is that if enough of us get vaccinated as fast as possible, we can, among possibly other things, stop the spread of the disease, stop variants from formi…

>Why do you let the opinions of some out group determine your behavior?

I'm not sure what you mean? I have no control over how another group chooses to discriminate.

>is there someone you trust with a credentialed medical opinion you can talk to about this instead, like your family physician?

There's this presumption that people who are making the 'wrong' choice are simply uninformed or haven't sought 'qualified' medical advice. It's a bit condescending tbh.

To answer the question directly, yep. I've spoken to my doctor about it. We'll probably talk about it again next time I go in for blood work. His recommendation is his recommendation.

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Post by throwawaay_3424 »

thepasswordis wrote: post #200

People don’t want to take the vaccine because others are trying to force them to. They would say “it’s not FDA approved!” not as the core of their hesitancy, but because they were trying to be appeal to pro-vax peoples decision making framework. I don’t think we should be able to require them to. To many of you here: imagine the Trump admin trying to require you to take the vaccine in November of last year. Cities wo…

I don't think you're going to have that option regarding the booster. It is a critical step towards a social credit system that governments won't let go of. Just get the boost

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Post by Tarsul »

probablypower wrote: post #191
giantg2 wrote: post #8

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"...instead find a new reason not to get it." Or continue an existing reason: "Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes."

As someone who has had both COVID (before vaccines were available) and a COVID vaccine, this reasoning seems frankly dumb as bricks. There is uncertainty about long-term effects of both. There is no uncertainty about the short-term effects of COVID, which are magnitudes worse than the short-term effects of a vaccine. COVID for me was a multi-week flu that scared the shit out of me because I didn't know how bad it wou…

sadly there are at least a few percentage points of people where that's basically the reason: they're dumb. I'm sorry, but it's true. Nonetheless, social media and other beneficiaries of fear mongering, definitely make this problem a lot worse than it would be without them.

I have a lot of trouble arguing with these people (friends, family) because I read daily about how bad covid is and they are simply ignorant. For some of them it's basically "he said, she said" (so like: who should I trust?) as if anti-vaxxers and science are on the same level of trustworthiness. And also when you talk about data they say something like "I don't trust the data" and rather trust some stupid people in their social circle. Also it appears like they feel like "vaccination can be bad", "covid can be bad (but not necessarily, my daughter had it and it was like the flu!)", so they rather try to avoid both. Yeah, logic...

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Post by ghiculescu »

hall0ween wrote: post #486
b0tzzzzzzman wrote: post #418

Hacker news is turning into Reddit style comments section. Can we talk about natural immunity and the path forward?

Can you point to any papers demonstrating natural immunity? I ask as my virologist friend, working on covid-related projects, says to me that it hasn't been shown to be plausible. Which, intuitively, makes sense because of (1) the positive effects vaccines have on reducing severity of the disease and (2) the cycle of variants we see and its path forward.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccine-mandate-natural-immunit... was linked in another comment, it points to 3 studies on the topic.

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Post by throwawaay_3424 »

0xB31B1B wrote: post #306
thepasswordis wrote: post #200

People don’t want to take the vaccine because others are trying to force them to. They would say “it’s not FDA approved!” not as the core of their hesitancy, but because they were trying to be appeal to pro-vax peoples decision making framework. I don’t think we should be able to require them to. To many of you here: imagine the Trump admin trying to require you to take the vaccine in November of last year. Cities wo…

we don't require anyone to take the vaccine, and we will never require anyone to take the vaccine. What we should and will do is restrict what someone who is not vaccinated can do to limit the harm they will cause to others. No one is going to bang down your door and force a vaccine into your arm, but if you do not want to get vaccinated you will need to change your life because you will be restricted from participat…

how long until this turns into concentration camps? Isolate, dehumanize, demonize, euthanize. We are somewhere between isolate and dehumanize.
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