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Unfortunately you'll end up stuck in there with mostly anti-vaxxers
Keep in mind that Coronavirus vaccine are novel and not field tested, whereas other vaccines are field tested for decades.
Fascinating to know HN is filled with them considering the downvotes my comment gathered :)
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> Compare to ~22000 dosed in trials; two of the vaccinated died from causes that don't look related to the vaccine, and four of the placebo group died. This mostly lets us exclude a high death rate from the vaccine. Several in the placebo group ended up hospitalized from severe COVID; none in the vaccine group ended up hospitalized from COVID or vaccine related side effects. How frequently are vaccine side effects me…
> How frequently are vaccine side effects measured 1-3 years out? How frequently do vaccines present side effects on the 1-3 year timeframe? Basically never: negative effects are overwhelmingly weighted to close to administration. This could, of course, always be the first vaccine to really do this. Indeed, most childhood vaccine trials have been about a year long. Much more interesting / troublesome is what immunoge…
Really? We've got a lot more data on COVID than we do on the vaccines.
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The link in your comment doesn't have anything to do with what you've said.
OK, try this. https://www.thecut.com/2020/11/a-second-covid-vaccine-may-be... Also, I'm guessing that JumpCrissCross doesn't know specifically that it is the Pfizer vaccine. It could be the Moderna one.
> A more promising vaccine was developed in January 2020 and requires only -4C
Which vaccine is this? The link you just posted talks about Moderna, which started trials in August.
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OK, try this. https://www.thecut.com/2020/11/a-second-covid-vaccine-may-be... Also, I'm guessing that JumpCrissCross doesn't know specifically that it is the Pfizer vaccine. It could be the Moderna one.
What do you mean, "try"? You said > A more promising vaccine was developed in January 2020 and requires only -4C Which vaccine is this? The link you just posted talks about Moderna, which started trials in August.
Designed by Jan 13, manufactured and first trial by mid-Feb.
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>as early as July the MIT Technology Review reported that a group of 70 scientists in the orbit of Harvard and MIT, including “celebrity geneticist” George Church, were taking a totally DIY nasal-spray vaccine,
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The other half of it, for the early days at least, is the fear of lining up with hundreds of people who are more likely to be high risk people. Putting yourself in higher risk. My pharmacy does COVID testing but only if you show no symptoms. The gov health networks tell symptomatic people to be tested in hospital set up centers. But high risk people are still high risk people, whether they are showing symptoms or not…
I have enough faith in my local health authorities to assume that the line won't be a literal lineup with hundreds of people. If my local bike shop has figured out the concept of no-contact service appointments by now, I'm pretty sure the health department can do it.
If it's a condition for international travel, which in some way it likely will be, then anyone wanting to travel won't really have a choice. Given that, I'll be getting it. Australia is in a bit of a weird position in that I have no idea what level of virus circulating we'll tolerate even post vaccine though, and I must admit it's concerning that we might reduce deaths by 99% with the vaccine but still not tolerate a…
Given a limited supply of vaccine and the order it will be administered, I don't understand how airlines can entertain this policy.
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> How frequently are vaccine side effects measured 1-3 years out? How frequently do vaccines present side effects on the 1-3 year timeframe? Basically never: negative effects are overwhelmingly weighted to close to administration. This could, of course, always be the first vaccine to really do this. Indeed, most childhood vaccine trials have been about a year long. Much more interesting / troublesome is what immunoge…
> We can't exactly know the risks from letting COVID-19 doing its thing unimpeded, either. Really? We've got a lot more data on COVID than we do on the vaccines.
Sure, but we don't know much about long-term morbidity tied to COVID infection, or exactly how many people it will get in the end. Even if I've got it all wrong--- the vaccine is riskier than our current data implies in the age 24-30 group, and fewer people from age 24-30 will get it because things burnt themselves out earlier-- what about the risks of long-term morbidity from COVID-19 infection in this group? Even that alone dwarfs likely vaccine risks. A whole lot of people are getting hospitalized, and even only 5% of them ending up with some degree of long term disability is daunting.
There's big error bars all around, but they largely don't overlap, and COVID has profound downside risks.
It's my civic duty to take it as soon as it's offered to me, even if there's some minuscule chance that there will be an averse side effect. That said, I'll likely be towards the end of the line given my health and occupation.
It's my civic duty not to, because people are trying to make it mandatory and we have to set a precedent that mandating it is unacceptable. I honestly think I would have said otherwise a year ago. But after seeing the mishandling of COVID-19, I no longer have faith in my countries ability to use emergency powers scientifically.
Feels a bit like not letting the taxpayer-funded fire department turn their hoses on your burning house because you're worried about "socialism".
COVID is your house burning down while your family and friends are still inside it. Maybe get on with solving that problem first and then worry about the (currently totally speculative) spectre of mandatory vaccines later.