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Post by xigency »

tathougies wrote: post #782
xigency wrote: post #625

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should investigate the racial history of the phrase “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” and also consider whether property crime deserves loss of life.

> property crime deserves loss of life. This is not an isolated incidence of property crime. This is utter destruction more akin to waging a total war against a particular district of Minneapolis. It's a form of terrorism. Property -- in the form of business and services -- is essential to life. There is no absolute distinction between the two, despite what some pretend. These people are breaking property in their ow…

> Property -- in the form of business and services -- is essential to life.

While that can be true in a literal sense at times, I don't believe shop lifting electronics from Target would have that effect. Even the destruction of local businesses, while indeed terrorizing, is not lethal.

Violent rioting would be something that might require a lethal response, but stealing, looting, robbing, plundering -- no.

> These people are breaking property in their own community and then expect investors or the very government they're protesting to step back in and rebuild.

So you believe that what is right, instead of investing and rebuilding, is that these people should be killed?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by GordonS »

fzeroracer wrote: post #609
darepublic wrote: post #573

As someone of mixed ethnicity who, if I was there could easily be victimized by a senseless mob to whom I owe nothing and have committed no crime against.. yea I am not happy with how the mainstream media promotes and covers this story, downplaying the victims of the chaos and sympathizing with outpourings of anger even if illegal. To clarify, looters should not be shot, law should prevail, and the policeman involved…

This entire event is effectively self-defense from a community that has felt terrorized by the police for decades. It could've been easily prevented by actually arresting someone that committed abject murder, but the city and the police chose to instead defend a man who has killed multiple people in the past and got away with it scott-free. So when people feel like justice no longer exists, there should be no surpris…

> It could've been easily prevented by actually arresting someone that committed abject murder, but the city and the police chose to instead defend a man who has killed multiple people in the past and got away with it scott-free

I don't know if it could have been prevented by arresting just this murderer, as it's far from an isolated incident.

I do however think it could have been prevented by an edict from the top years ago, issuing a zero-tolerance policy for harassment, abuse and murder by police officers, with focus on clearly racially motivated incidents. I'm fom the UK, so don't claim to understand american politics, but I just don't understand why something like that hasn't happened, especially when Obama was president.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by [deleted] »

iateanapple wrote: post #829
zapita wrote: post #805

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> However, I'm half expecting them to ban him about twelve seconds after he leaves office. At the top management level, they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office (a plausible scenario at this point), and how that scenario affects their bottom line. They probably don’t want US institutions to dissolve into full-blown autocracy... But on the other hand, if that were to happen, then it would…

> no amount of downvoting by the alt-right fringe lurking here will make the facts go away. What facts? What alt-right fringe? Trump was voted in by tens of millions of Americans and still has tens of millions of supporters. > At the top management level, they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office (a plausible scenario at this point) Trump is in his 70s... > since you don’t have the courag…

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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by ghostpepper »

mthoms wrote: post #599
efitz wrote: post #521

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If most of the mistakes happen in one direction, then I would argue that there's some other mechanism at work than just "mistakes". Update: data https://quillette.com/2019/02/12/it-isnt-your-imagination-tw... Update: admission https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17857622/twitter-liberal-emplo...

Maybe right leaning users have a higher propensity to say offensive/harmful things? I'm not being facetious. Isn't this something the right is actually proud of ? I mean, they actually boast about not being "politically correct" (something the rest of the western world calls "common decency").

Offense and harm are not the same thing so IMHO you can't really make a sweeping statement about a group of people like that.

Also isn't political correctness subjective too? Or is there a canonical definition of what is and is not politically correct that I'm unaware of.

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Post by GordonS »

philwelch wrote: post #641
fzeroracer wrote: post #609

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This entire event is effectively self-defense from a community that has felt terrorized by the police for decades. It could've been easily prevented by actually arresting someone that committed abject murder, but the city and the police chose to instead defend a man who has killed multiple people in the past and got away with it scott-free. So when people feel like justice no longer exists, there should be no surpris…

Looting private businesses and setting fires isn’t “self-defense”.

It's drawing worldwide attention to the issue of systemic racism across the police force in the USA though, isn't it?

What else do you think might get this kind of attention? Fact is, incidents like this have been happening for a long, long time, yet nothing changes.

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Post by [deleted] »

umvi wrote: post #213
ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

> The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting That's an extremely literal interpretation of his words. Most people would interpret that phrase to mean "you better think twice before looting because I'm not going to sit idly by and let you do it" but in the form of a vaguely threatening, yet catchy rhyme.

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Post by riffic »

scaredtobeme wrote: post #843
riffic wrote: post #466

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Twitter has never been a "Utility" in the way that you may be imagining it to be.

The argument is that it's getting there. It's the leading platform for public debate in the US right now. Journalists spend their days refreshing their Twitter feed, so the effect isn't just in the size of Twitter's platform but its influence.

There have been people making these arguments both for and against for a very long time. Even as an example, on this very site:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

I think you'll quickly lean in the opposing view after reviewing those viewpoints, because if Twitter was a utility it would have been declared one at some point in the previous 11 years.

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Post by thejynxed »

joshuamorton wrote: post #764
thejynxed wrote: post #685

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To be fair, in regard's to Trump's Twitter account, a Federal judge has already ruled that Twitter absolutely may not remove his account, and likewise, he may not block people who insult his spray tan, because it's a de facto public forum for interacting with the POTUS.

> ruled that Twitter absolutely may not remove his account I just skimmed through that ruling, and couldn't find this. Could you cite where she ruled that twitter couldn't remove his account?

In the part where it was declared a de facto public forum for interacting with the POTUS. It is implied that Twitter would face consequences for violating the rights of the population to redress grievances directly with their elected leader in the forum, in this case, it being a Twitter account. The US National Archives also weighed in and said they would sanction Twitter if the account is removed before the end of his Presidency.

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Post by zepto »

sagichmal wrote: post #475
sevenf0ur wrote: post #349

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The issue is that the rules are being enforced selectively. Just this week Twitter fact checked Trump's opinion on mail voter fraud by linking to other experts' opinions. It seems more like a move to influence the election rather than enforcing the rules.

> The issue is that the rules are being enforced selectively. It's not only acceptable but actually ethically correct to hold those with more power to higher standards of responsibility. It's therefore not only acceptable but actually ethically correct to enforce these rules more proactively against the President of the United States than some Russian bot account.

Ok, but that argument applies to Twitter which itself is a powerful actor.

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Post by andrepd »

seesawtron wrote: post #849
Animats wrote: post #79

Twitter policy: "We start from a position of assuming that people do not intend to violate our Rules. Unless a violation is so egregious that we must immediately suspend an account, we first try to educate people about our Rules and give them a chance to correct their behavior. We show the violator the offending Tweet(s), explain which Rule was broken, and require them to remove the content before they can Tweet agai…

I would imagine that accounts of "important" people are handled personally rather than by automated algorithm. As Jack Dorsey points out in this[0] Joe Rogan podcast, the reported tweets by public or algorithm are manually checked at some point. Approx. 4000 employees of Twitter all around the world. Every day 100k (edit: 100M) tweets are sent. The reports of tweets that violate the platform policy are (reported by p…

Only 100k/day? That sounds quite low.
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