New iPhone SE

iPhone SE is the form factor of iPhone 5s, the last phone in the previous generation before iPhone 6/7/etc.

iPhone SE 2 is the form factor of iPhone 8, the last phone in the previous generation before iPhone X/11/etc.

iPhone SE2 is only a tiny bit smaller than the iPhone X or iPhone 11 Pro. Less than a half a centimeter in height and width.

> I very much don't have smaller hands, and still think 4.7" is the best phone size I've ever used.

I don’t know what normal size hands are, but I’m quite tall, 195cm ish, and the iPhone 8 is too big for me to use single handed. The iPhone 5s was excellent size wise for me.

Honest question: every time I must debug my mother or a friend on an Apple device, I have to go through a Windows-Vista amount of confirmations of multiple-FA steps and it never seems to stop or remember my agreement to this or that feature.

I've been using Apple devices exclusively for 10 years until 2016 or so but I reckon it's become incredibly bloated UX on iOS devices, at least from my very anecdotal perspective.

Meanwhile Android seems much more 'sane' for me as a user, but more so software developer aware of the cost of bad UX.

So I'm wondering, in making this choice to go for SE rather than 4a, I'm assuming you're familiar with both OS, how do you think they compare?

I really like what I hear about the iPhone SE but immediately I remember how dreadful my experience is every time I have to use an iOS device, they're just so unnatural to me, just so weird UI/UX choices. I feel like they're maybe great for seniors but as a 37 nerd/geek I feel lost with iOS. It's just not doing what I want it to. Like Windows 10. Like Gnome. I tolerate KDE because it's great but it's not without big issues yet.

Am I too demanding? Have I been spoiled by the best products during 30 years of computing, such that 'average' in 2020 doesn't cut it for me, or did UI/UX really get worse as I suspect?

Please, someone, in this highly popular thread, help me make sense of this perception, and see where I fit in a large 'nerdy' crowd.

People will get it or they won’t, the HN crowd is probably a fairly small demographic compared to who Apple is trying to gear this towards: people who want an affordable, new iPhone.

For my part (SE user of 2 years, and before that a 5s user), this fits my needs pretty well, and it’s got the latest hardware. The lack of a headphone jack was always going to happen, that’s just the way of the world and nothing will change it - and realistically, carrying around a dongle really isn’t a big deal if you’re going to be carrying around your phone and earphones anyway, it’s just another small piece to keep attached to your earphones on a semi-permanent basis. The 5s form factor would have been cool too, but that was also never going to happen, because the SE is released in no small part because there is a surplus of X device (previously 5s, now 8) and they need to move old stock.

I’ll hang onto my SE until iOS 14 comes out, then I’ll get a refurbished SE 2. I might be able to get away with getting an almost-new iPhone released this year for around AU$600, that would be cool.

Apple's side-by-side comparison shows that their new phone is essentially an iPhone 8 with a newer CPU.

https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphone8&device...