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EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
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Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#862>However, those backing these provisions say the arguments above are the result of scaremongering by big US tech companies, eager to keep control of the web’s biggest platforms. This is the most hilarious quote in the article. The only thing this will do is entrench massive players like Google and Facebook who already have these systems in place. I honestly cannot comprehend how anyone could support this law while ha…
The stronger they push ridiculous laws like this the more it will force perfectly legitimate business to go underground. We will end up with all the problems of prohibition all over again. > is intended to give publishers and papers a way to make money when companies like Google link to their stories So Google should pay you when they send you more traffic? More traffic = more money. Most companies would be overjoyed…
> I wonder how long until companies outside of Europe decide it's easier just to block all traffic from Europe in protest.
Exactly this. I already hit error 451 when trying to read some local news in US when browsing from Europe (I don't remember name of the page now). This happened after GPDR came into effect. I can totally relate with companies who don't want to deal with legal mess related with GPDR and other nonsense from EU an prefer to just show the user error 451 page. I'm pretty sure VPN providers and huge companies like Google will benefit from this legislation.
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#863Earlier quoted context omitted.
I see part of your argument, but the internet in the US is by no means full of free speech and fair use. The government has their hands on every major service provider and ISP and has used their power to compel companies to give information or censor data. What's happening here is the EU is seeing every other major power lock down their internet, so why would they leave theirs open which would also allow foreign medd…
US has a huge surveillance (both govt and private) problem, but censorship? Can you give some examples?
Maybe "Napalm Girl" v Facebook, as an example how chilling effects and cultural differences can lead to an outcome which is perceived as censorship in Europe?
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#864Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Do these politicians really not understand the awful implications of these filtering systems for free speech and fair use? They believe what their wealthy donors tell them to believe. It won't affect the well connected politicians in any measurable way, they'll still be wealthy. Meanwhile, independent organizations will suffer while the big players get all the sweet licensing deals. Regulations are ALWAYS about pun…
It's also a form of control. "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
I appreciate the Dr. Ferris quote. It's pretty scary to see so much of Atlas became reality.
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#865Earlier quoted context omitted.
The stronger they push ridiculous laws like this the more it will force perfectly legitimate business to go underground. We will end up with all the problems of prohibition all over again. > is intended to give publishers and papers a way to make money when companies like Google link to their stories So Google should pay you when they send you more traffic? More traffic = more money. Most companies would be overjoyed…
> I wonder how long until companies outside of Europe decide it's easier just to block all traffic from Europe in protest. Exactly this. I already hit error 451 when trying to read some local news in US when browsing from Europe (I don't remember name of the page now). This happened after GPDR came into effect. I can totally relate with companies who don't want to deal with legal mess related with GPDR and other nons…
European here. I can't view some major newspapers in the US such as the LA Times. Smallers ones like the Virginia Gazette and Daily Press are also verboten for me.
Many US newspapers now redirect to tronc.com for a standard disclaimer.
For example, the LA Times redirects to http://www.tronc.com/gdpr/latimes.com/, which says this.
Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism.
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#866I don't understand why any of this was necessary in the first place, the only reason I can think of is this being on the wishlist of a powerful lobbying bloc. There is something suspect about the EU's cavalier attitude in churning out internet regulations, they generally favor old industries and incumbents.
Newspapers are dying and try to find a way to make money from their content. They find that the big user distributor Google doesn't give them their fair share and therefore try to make him pay. They get supported by other content producers and now we all are facing another absurd law. I am a big fan of the GDPR, because it protects the rights of the users. But this time they are building a law to ease the fight of la…
I think the upload filters are meant to serve a peeking hole for EU governments to listen to what people share on the internet, as this bypasses the encryption. This will enable governments to stop content harmful to the regime from being shared and also track individuals who are working against the government. This all happened before in all socialist regimes. I remember it well, when I was phoning someone there were censors actively listening to the conversations. This is being transplanted on the internet. It is ironic how people fought this through the 80s only to have it reinstated.
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#867Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Do these politicians really not understand the awful implications of these filtering systems for free speech and fair use? They believe what their wealthy donors tell them to believe. It won't affect the well connected politicians in any measurable way, they'll still be wealthy. Meanwhile, independent organizations will suffer while the big players get all the sweet licensing deals. Regulations are ALWAYS about pun…
It's also a form of control. "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
- Ayn Rand.
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#868Earlier quoted context omitted.
I see part of your argument, but the internet in the US is by no means full of free speech and fair use. The government has their hands on every major service provider and ISP and has used their power to compel companies to give information or censor data. What's happening here is the EU is seeing every other major power lock down their internet, so why would they leave theirs open which would also allow foreign medd…
US has a huge surveillance (both govt and private) problem, but censorship? Can you give some examples?
1. Reddit on the topic of Donald Trump is an example.
2. Forcing social media firms to delete specific kinds of content is another (albeit controversial) example.
3. Redacting all info about Saudi involvement in the 9-11 reports is a great example of censorship under the pretext of national security.
4. The SESTA/FOSTA bills are a recent (but again somewhat controversial) example.
5. Plenty of movies have been censored. One can easily google examples of this.
6. Many works of music too. Just ask the rappers.
7. Forbidding swear words in public/recorded speech is/was a great example. Although it is also an example of self-censorship among Americans.
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
#869Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the other party will be found guilty of disrupting your business by having you get into court for complaints without legal grounds.
How often you hear about people being prosecuted for falsely flagging content as offensive online? How often you hear about prosecutions about false copyright infringement notifications? The latter happens only very rarely in cases of blatant abuse, usually coupled with massive fraud and other crimes (never happens to automatic systems big IP holders use, they just write it off as innocent error in 100% of the cases)…
That happens under the DMCA, prosecution under existing EU law and the new art11 and art13 wouldn't change much. Notice&Takedown does allow me to review any requests unlike the DMCA and Art13 requires human review in case of disputes. To my knowledge I can ignore entities that send me lots of useless Notices about third party content without legal consequence, I could even get a restraining order.
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#870Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the other party will be found guilty of disrupting your business by having you get into court for complaints without legal grounds.
> the other party will be found guilty of disrupting your business by having you get into court for complaints without legal grounds. Dubious. The other lawyer will claim they believed you had read the complaint and therefore that they were acting in good faith, and will see no punishment at all.
On what grounds would they be able to believe that I have read that complaint? Such things need proof in court.