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GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers
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#862Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you handle developer computers with possible client data on them, even semi-anonymized? Or when communicating issues on the live server, you might transfer client information to other stake holders to debug issue. Are you tracking that communication. Where does the communication data reside, perhaps on a server outside of the EU? There is a lot of complications that arise if you think about the second order/th…
I have keyed in and deleted so many efforts at an answer to your question that I have given up and find myself merely asking: "Have you actually read the regs?" http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX... My reading of them finds no second/third order anything. The regs are surprisingly clear. I forgot to mention that unless you are trying to abuse EU citizens in some way then you have no problems…
>I forgot to mention that unless you are trying to abuse EU citizens in some way then you have no problems.
Half of commenters are making this assertion; the other half are asserting it's a damn good thing that small companies will be eviscerated for insufficient seriousness, whether or not they are doing anything abusive. Some of you are necessarily wrong.
Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers
#863Alternative approach by USA today: add and tracking free site for EU users :)
Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers
#864Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it is against the GDPR, then it is an illegal agreement in the EU. Non-enforceable contracts are a thing. You are not allowed to literally sign away your firstborn, sell yourself into slavery, or accept a job at less than minimum wage. Enforceability will generally be based on revenue streams coming from the EU (oh you want a credit card processed from an EU user? We'll be taking that money as a payment towards yo…
>>You are not allowed to literally sign away your firstborn, sell yourself into slavery, or accept a job at less than minimum wage. The last item is nothing like the first two. The EU is now going to see the natural conclusion of a society based on its conception of contract rights. Digital technology magnifies the effect of everything by several orders of magnitude, so I suspect we'll see dramatic consequences flow…
From a legal perspective, the last is pretty close to the first two. If you sign a contract saying those things a court will throw it out. End of story. This is how contracts work in the US too.
Same as how in California non-compete clauses are illegal.
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I'm a Brit. I am the MD of a small IT company. I have two partners and 20 employees. We started in 2000. We turn over about £1.5Mpa. We sell our services to people and organisations. Our backups are now smaller these days (thanks to GDPR). I understand that because you are outside the EU you might feel like a target but that is not the point of GDPR. There is no way on earth that the EU as a whole has looked on your…
It's reassuring to hear that the GDPR is not meant to target little startups and projects but I would like it a lot better if it said that in the actual law, rather than just trusting all current and future regulators to treat me kindly. If it's only meant to be used against big companies or extreme offenders, why doesn't it say so? It seems like the spirit of the law and the language of the law are not aligned and i…
Because if your business model is based on selling user data, it doesn't matter if you're a small startup, it absolutely is meant to target you.
If you aren't competent at responsibly handling personal data and you want to build a project or startup, pick one that doesn't handle personal data, or put in the effort to learn how to do things properly.
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#866Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers
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It's curious how these "basic, fundamental" rights only apply to select industries, while others are free to completely ignore them (art. 85). What kind of basic, fundamental right is that?
Even the beloved First Amendment does not protect all forms of speech. Your point…?
Please explain why the parent comment attracted downvotes. In the US Constitution, the first amendment protects Americans' right to free speech. However, not all forms of speech are protected. The same legal principle applies to the GDPR; not all industries need to follow the GDPR, as laid out in the Article 85.
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#868I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…
The fact that it is such a big problem for so many companies just demonstrates how badly things have been handled thus far.
I'm sitting through tons of GDPR meetings & there are quite a few conclusions amounting to "maybe we shouldn't have stored the data that way".
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> because it seems to not only be implying that these businesses are likely to be operating in bad faith I think there is a subtle difference between negligence and bad faith. > but that the world would legitimately be better off without them as well Well, that's precsiely what laws forbidding businesses like that say. "We'd rather not have them if they can't stick to those rules." Are you making the argument that th…
>"We'd rather not have them if they can't stick to those rules." Right, but the alternative in certain situations is having no businesses at all, as was the case in my home country. >Are you making the argument that the west is generally over-regulating food safety and public health? If so, on what basis? Looks to me like a variant of the old "when i was young we didn't have [seatbelts|gun regulation|hard hats on con…
I fail to see how any of this is offensive.
Do you find it offensive that people prefer to live in countries with a high standard of living if given the choice? Is that somehow disrespectful to the people who do not have that choice? Bringing emotion into this seems counterproductive.
Generally you seem to agree that regulation can be beneficial (if compliance is feasible).
I'm sure you also agree that you'd like the toys you buy for your kids in the US to comply with US safety standards, even when they're made in china, and regardless of whatever standards exist in china?
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I'm not onboard with the idea that Silicon Valley holds a monopoly on technical innovation. Getting people to click on ads on smartphones doesn't capture the entire scope of technology. Europe's economy is roughly as large as that of the United States. Many world-leading companies from the car industry, to chemicals, to biotech reside in Europe. The US holds one dominating advantage in one subset of technology. Consu…
That's exactly my point. The EU is built for entrenched institutions. There is no entrepreneurial spirit -- and that's why there's N-number of self driving car companies in the US and zero(?) in the EU, for example.
>"There is no entrepreneurial spirit"
That betrays a deep lack of knowledge of what happens in Europe. There are a ton of innovative ideas and services that originated here.
Just off the top of my head, Skype and Spotify are huge and well-known.