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LAPD arrests man on suspicion of making deadly swatting call to Wichita police

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Re: LAPD arrests man on suspicion of making deadly swatting call to Wichita police

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Post by IgorPartola »

barsonme wrote: post #860
IgorPartola wrote: post #858

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Well in at least several states wearing body armor is illegal. Same with driving a tank. The US has the largest and best equipped military in the world. And unlike the Middle East, I don’t think the US government would hesitate to act against any attempt to secede. Take for example Texas, a state which still believes it never joined the United States, and one that is heavily armed. Do you really think Texas could rev…

> Do you really think Texas could revel and secede? Not Texas alone, but the 2A doesn't exist so Texas can secede. And it wasn't was I was referring to, anyway. It exists, among other reasons, to ensure the US government won't become authoritarian. If the US did decide to consolidate power (à la the 1930s) it would be met with an armed resistance. Sure, there would be a power imbalance. But simply based on sheer numb…

> That sort of presupposes the only way to fix the software is to scrap the entire thing. What if it were possible to add some bug fixes in other parts of the program? (Which is kinda what I've alluded to before—I think we could fix a lot of the 30,000 number without having to scrap the entire thing.)

I am proposing scrapping this single sentence amendment. Or rather not scrapping it but adding a new amendment that is significantly more clear. Something like "Except where allowed by a law passed by congress, citizens shall not have the right to own firearms." Or something significantly longer and better. Then after that's passed, let's enact some specific laws that allow it.

And awesome. Let me know if you want me to shoot you a promo code for the ad-free version of the app.

Re: LAPD arrests man on suspicion of making deadly swatting call to Wichita police

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Post by barsonme »

IgorPartola wrote: post #861
barsonme wrote: post #860

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you really think Texas could revel and secede? Not Texas alone, but the 2A doesn't exist so Texas can secede. And it wasn't was I was referring to, anyway. It exists, among other reasons, to ensure the US government won't become authoritarian. If the US did decide to consolidate power (à la the 1930s) it would be met with an armed resistance. Sure, there would be a power imbalance. But simply based on sheer numb…

> That sort of presupposes the only way to fix the software is to scrap the entire thing. What if it were possible to add some bug fixes in other parts of the program? (Which is kinda what I've alluded to before—I think we could fix a lot of the 30,000 number without having to scrap the entire thing.) I am proposing scrapping this single sentence amendment. Or rather not scrapping it but adding a new amendment that i…

Well, seems like a difference of opinion, then. :-)

Sure! That'd be nice.

Re: LAPD arrests man on suspicion of making deadly swatting call to Wichita police

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Post by bonestamp2 »

ams6110 wrote: post #606
bonestamp2 wrote: post #559

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Ideally it wouldn't get this far but at a minimum, the police should not shoot until an actual gun is seen. Thinking they are in danger is not good enough, their rules for engagement need to be as high as the military, if not higher... they should have to confirm there is an actual threat and should not fire their weapons until at least that threat is confirmed. A feeling is not enough to shoot on.

Do you actually think that "a feeling" is the training standard for deciding whether to shoot?

I don't think it's the training standard, but it is the most common defense in court. Somehow military soldiers are able to resist these feelings and have much more strict rules of engagement. Citizens should have the same protection against being shot at by the police that terrorists get from being shot at by the military. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Re: LAPD arrests man on suspicion of making deadly swatting call to Wichita police

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Post by literallycancer »

oreo81 wrote: post #843
vidarh wrote: post #794

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Norway has one of the highest gun ownership rates, and until some years back the territorial army had people keep their AG3 service weapons at home. Yet it's only been for time limited periods that police has been routinely armed, and they certainly also doesn't act like the US. I don't like guns, but I also don't think guns alone are sufficient to explain the high firearms related crime rate in the US. Some of the d…

Wait, an armed robber killed a police officer and only got 18 years?

The maximum sentence in Norway is 21, AFAIK. It can be renewed if the person is deemed a threat after that time (terrorists and such).
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