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Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by z0r »

Akujin wrote: post #573

We take down Al Qaeda terrorist websites all the time because they can be used to radicalize people. Nazis are no different. They are calling for the systematic violent overthrow of the US government and for the extermination of many millions of so called undesirables. This is a terrorist threat. I take this threat very seriously as do many people in the Jewish, Hispanic, and African American community. There are lit…

An atmosphere of free speech that allows for satire and conversation are the best weapons against extremist ideology.

Your post is incredible; you are stating that advocates for free speech are Nazis and shit posters. You are stating that there are no good faith defenders of free speech.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by jacquesm »

samdoidge wrote: post #837
jacquesm wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it isn't odd at all: societies are made up of people and people in large numbers do not always act in a way that protects those that are weaker or in smaller numbers so to avoid the tyranny of the majority protected classes exist in order to make sure that it is spelled out under what circumstances you can and can not discriminate against others. So yes, everybody is afforded equal protection under the law and pr…

> So yes, everybody is afforded equal protection under the law This is contradicted by 'protected classes'.

Well, that's your interpretation. Mine is that protected classes exist to make sure their rights are not eroded so that they can be afforded equal protection under the law.

Let me give you an example: In a country with 99% black people and 1% white people employers have a habit of selecting people 'just like themselves' which has resulted in the 1% being vastly over represented in the ranks of the un-employed. An enlightened segment of the legislative branch of government recognizes the unfairness of this and establishes a protection outlawing discrimination based on skin color and creates a protected class, the 'whites'. Of course some blacks will argue that this is in contradiction of everybody being equal before the law, however those people fail to appreciate that this is not an advantage being bestowed upon the whites, merely a lack of dis-advantage resulting in everybody now being equal before the law.

Feel free to replace black and white with whatever groups you care about.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by glenndebacker »

Deestan wrote: post #624
illuminati1911 wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last sentence is the main reason why the world is so fucked up today. "Unless you agree with my radical leftist agenda you are a nazi/racist/ "-mentality and the complete unreasonability of the left is the reason why normal people are fed up with all this crap and are voting for Trump, Brexit etc. No matter how evil some group is (may they be pedophiles, satan worshippers, nazis, whatever...) silencing them and a…

> radical leftist agenda Being anti-nazi is "radical leftist" now?

You must have seen my grandparents - the ones that have witnessed the real horror of nazisme/ww2 - radical to the bone. Doing all dangerous violent stuff with their walker and wheelchair. A whole life of attacking "good people" from the extreme right or whatever orange buffoons choose to describe them these days.

The notion that anybody that is anti-facisme - which for me should be natural for anybody with some minimum of values - is a radical of extreme-whatever is plain ridiculous.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by cbuq »

losvedir wrote: post #855
Akujin wrote: post #573

We take down Al Qaeda terrorist websites all the time because they can be used to radicalize people. Nazis are no different. They are calling for the systematic violent overthrow of the US government and for the extermination of many millions of so called undesirables. This is a terrorist threat. I take this threat very seriously as do many people in the Jewish, Hispanic, and African American community. There are lit…

> The idea that I'm seeing any of these comments arguing to the contrary means HN is already infiltrated by /pol/ and other Nazi sympathizing groups. This is an extremely frightening statement to me. I'm terrified by the fact that you'd paint me as a Nazi sympathizer because my meta-level beliefs that text and speech should be protected are stronger than my object-level beliefs that Nazi philosophy is evil. The Nazis…

If you are referring to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never break me", clearly you have other problems with sympathy and empathy.

Free speech does not protect dangerous speech.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by cuckcuckspruce »

losvedir wrote: post #855
Akujin wrote: post #573

We take down Al Qaeda terrorist websites all the time because they can be used to radicalize people. Nazis are no different. They are calling for the systematic violent overthrow of the US government and for the extermination of many millions of so called undesirables. This is a terrorist threat. I take this threat very seriously as do many people in the Jewish, Hispanic, and African American community. There are lit…

> The idea that I'm seeing any of these comments arguing to the contrary means HN is already infiltrated by /pol/ and other Nazi sympathizing groups. This is an extremely frightening statement to me. I'm terrified by the fact that you'd paint me as a Nazi sympathizer because my meta-level beliefs that text and speech should be protected are stronger than my object-level beliefs that Nazi philosophy is evil. The Nazis…

I guess the idea coming out of this is that if you want to be forgotten on the Internet, commit wrongspeak. If you want your arrest record and record of your divorce to disappear from the Internet, add some wrongspeak in there - Google, Cloudflare, and others will pull it down in an instant.

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Post by redm »

Akujin wrote: post #573

We take down Al Qaeda terrorist websites all the time because they can be used to radicalize people. Nazis are no different. They are calling for the systematic violent overthrow of the US government and for the extermination of many millions of so called undesirables. This is a terrorist threat. I take this threat very seriously as do many people in the Jewish, Hispanic, and African American community. There are lit…

Except it is different. The CEO has clearly stated that they won't take terrorist sites down, or any other kind of site, because it's not their job as a utility provider. [1] Its concerning because of its a violation of clearly established policy with an arbitrary decision by the CEO. If it were policy, it wouldn't be a big deal, my own company has anti-terrorism/hatred etc policies. We take this stuff down. It sets a bad precedent for them, they can't have it both ways.

https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-and-free-speech/

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Post by idibidiart »

Akujin wrote: post #573

We take down Al Qaeda terrorist websites all the time because they can be used to radicalize people. Nazis are no different. They are calling for the systematic violent overthrow of the US government and for the extermination of many millions of so called undesirables. This is a terrorist threat. I take this threat very seriously as do many people in the Jewish, Hispanic, and African American community. There are lit…

Yup, I've been saying for a while that HN has a vocal majority of racists and sexists. They're now being exposed. Great. There should be a legal fund to sue the entire white supremacist and sexist assholes for damages, every time they speak.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by drunkenmonkey »

cbuq wrote: post #864
losvedir wrote: post #855

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The idea that I'm seeing any of these comments arguing to the contrary means HN is already infiltrated by /pol/ and other Nazi sympathizing groups. This is an extremely frightening statement to me. I'm terrified by the fact that you'd paint me as a Nazi sympathizer because my meta-level beliefs that text and speech should be protected are stronger than my object-level beliefs that Nazi philosophy is evil. The Nazis…

If you are referring to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never break me", clearly you have other problems with sympathy and empathy. Free speech does not protect dangerous speech.

See, and now you're attacking the character of a person: "clearly you have other problems".

This type of psychological attack is precisely the issue at hand with counter-nazi progress online at this precise moment in time.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by drewbuschhorn »

losvedir wrote: post #855
Akujin wrote: post #573

We take down Al Qaeda terrorist websites all the time because they can be used to radicalize people. Nazis are no different. They are calling for the systematic violent overthrow of the US government and for the extermination of many millions of so called undesirables. This is a terrorist threat. I take this threat very seriously as do many people in the Jewish, Hispanic, and African American community. There are lit…

> The idea that I'm seeing any of these comments arguing to the contrary means HN is already infiltrated by /pol/ and other Nazi sympathizing groups. This is an extremely frightening statement to me. I'm terrified by the fact that you'd paint me as a Nazi sympathizer because my meta-level beliefs that text and speech should be protected are stronger than my object-level beliefs that Nazi philosophy is evil. The Nazis…

The internet archive? https://web.archive.org/web/*/daily%20stormer

And they'll gag be back up by tomorrow no doubt. "Hell, people brought AK-47's and AR-15's to Charlottesville but didn't use them, despite the violent clashes." What restraint.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by dse82 »

everheardofc wrote: post #801
mozumder wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems people have no idea that Nazis are actually extremely violent people. I'm not talking about your average racist, but people that identify with the Nazi party. Violence is central to their philosophy. If you actually met any modern-day Nazis, you would know this. It took me about two days of hanging out with Nazis before they literally tried to blow me up. This isn't some free-speech issue where you debate po…

What about anti-nazis that constantly cry out how every nazi is an armed, dangerous criminal that should be killed or arrested wholesale. My opinion about those? Just ban them. Arrest their members. Don't be the socially inept libertarian nerd that thinks only in terms of theory without any real-world experience. It's perfectly fine to limit rights and freedoms in the real world. You can do it!

The good thing about that argument: nobody who has anything to say in this world is ever going to take it seriously. Not only does it miss the point of the argument that it pretends to reply to, it also lacks common-sense and good judgement.

Well done, sir. This is why nobody takes libertarians serious.

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