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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by rootlocus » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 5:34 PM UTC

return0 wrote: post #831

rootlocus wrote: post #811

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> Misogyny is literally HATRED of women No, it's not. I won't quote dictionaries, you can look it up on wikipedia. You can also find compilations of all the offensive remarks he made regarding women. > ALL politicians are to some extent. True. Indeed, we're all liars. However, Trump seems to disregard the truth when it stands right next to him. Even in the face of irrefutable proof he doesn't back down. That's worse…

> No, it's not. I won't quote dictionaries, you can look it up on wikipedia. You bring up an interesting point. The definition of "Misogyny" in wikipedia in 2004: Misogyny is an exaggerated pathological aversion towards women. became in 2016: Misogyny is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. I can't help but see the broadening of the definition throughout the years. It happens a lot with w…

Whatever the reason for the broadening of the definition (I would consider progress), it doesn't change the fact that people today use it with the definition it has today. Just like "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet", so would his attitude towards women by any other name would smell just as bad.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by throwawayf98765 » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 5:35 PM UTC

prairiedogg wrote: post #617

masondixon wrote: post #591

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> how anyone could feel comfortable with him as commander in chief I understand what you are saying here. He struggles to speak eloquently, and does not have a statesman-like persona. He is no traditional president. But look at the last 15 years of foreign policy from "statesmen". We had two wars, Obama missed seeing the rise of ISIS, Syria is a humanitarian nightmare, we had a huge financial crash, and terrorism is…

Hi masondixon! > But look at the last 15 years of foreign policy from "statesmen". We had two wars, Obama missed seeing the rise of ISIS, Syria is a humanitarian nightmare, we had a huge financial crash, and terrorism is on the rise. So is your argument that "statesmen" have failed to avoid crisis, therefore someone who is not a "statesman" will be able to better avoid crisis? Would it be fair then to say that becaus…

As a leftist living outside of America. The thing is that some of us see these "statesmen" as the origin of the crisis.

As a leftist, I wouldn't want someone like Hillary's personal friend plunging my country into chaos and give power to a guy who would make Trump seem like Mother Theresa just because the people choose to elect an actual left wing candidate. I know this wasn't a relevant question to americans, not even to the "tolerant" and "progressive" Clinton supporters.

So yeah, personally, I could be wrong, but I'll take a bet that things could be different with the one that at least doesn't seem like a "statesman".

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by gone35 » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 5:37 PM UTC

StreamBright wrote: post #577

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Trump is the most 'free' President in modern history. He 'owes' the least, to the fewest people. How do you know? Have you actually operationalized it with a quantifiable measure? Can you actually back up your claim with actual, verifiable data? No? Then get the fuck out .

This is not really acceptable style on HN. This information is known based on the campaign contributions. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential... http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/trump-spent-about-half-of-wha... https://www.wired.com/2016/09/clinton-trump-get-campaign-fun... http://fortune.com/2016/08/22/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-f... http://www.fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.do https://www.op…

Thank you for pointing that out. I apologize for the impropriety.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by mch82 » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 5:38 PM UTC

Chris2048 wrote: post #845

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"We are called racist, but no one is racist. We are called xenophobic, but all we are asking for is that the laws are upheld." I can't comment for the States as I live in Europe... but 99% of the big vocal trump supporters at this side of the ocean are racist and xenophobic like there is no tomorrow. In this country the only political trump supporters are the ones that has historic ties with the nazi's. That the most…

I live in "Europe" as well, and don't see that "99%" > In this country the only political trump supporters are the ones that has historic ties with the nazi's That all racists support trump is not the same as all trump supporters are racists. Can you provide more evidence that "the only political trump supporters" are racist? It's not "telling" if it not true. > that is fact ...

No one is saying all Trump supporters are racists. We're just saying that at least the supporters participating in the KKK Trump victory parade are :-)

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-upda...

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Chris2048 » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 5:40 PM UTC

mrgordon wrote: post #846

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i honestly cannot agree with you. showing a sex tape and refusing to remove it (which is why hogan was suing gawker) from your site is not freedom of press. if it was, the leakage of celebrity pics (also known as 'the fappening') would be fine, no? also, gawker outed thiel, which is bullshit. people should come out when they are ready, not when a yellow-paged blog decides. also, let's change genders and say gawker no…

Whether or not you think what Gawker did was right, it is a terrible precedent that a billionaire can shut down the entire publication by funding lawsuits for other people against the publisher. There are ways to get the tape removed without simply outspending the press to the point where they cannot feasibly fight your lawsuit. It is a slippery slope. No one feels too bad about a sex tape getting taken down, but cas…

> it is a terrible precedent that a billionaire can

only people without money should be able to sue?

> There are ways to get the tape removed without simply outspending the press to the point where they cannot feasibly fight your lawsuit.

So this is Thiels fault, not Gawker? Gawker got away with a lot of shit before it was finally called on it.

> cases like this ensure that journalists will have to self-censor what they publish

Yes, is that difficult?

> This has a chilling effect on investigative journalism

I disagree, the degrees of freedom Gawker had were far too much, it didn't even try to be fair. What actual good did Gawker do?

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Frondo » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 5:44 PM UTC

white-flame wrote: post #179

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Tolerance means you aren't jailing people with different views than your own. Tolerance means you aren't out beating people up for having different views. Tolerance isn't about putting on a happy face and doing business with someone whose views you find odious. If people are no longer free to use words or social stigma to advance their views and opinion, because "tolerance," then what do we have left?

I think most people would equate "tolerance" with "non-antagonizing" in the general case. It's hard to claim that actively antagonizing & stigmatizing somebody for their beliefs (not just reasonably arguing against the beliefs themselves) counts as tolerant of others' beliefs. It exactly means that no matter how subjectively and personally odious somebody's beliefs are to you, you can still respect their personhood,…

Of course I get to deem and enforce what I think is right and wrong, using tools like words and association.

What on earth kind of law do you want to set up where I can't preferentially trade with people whose opinions I like, or preferentially not trade with people whose opinions I don't?

Again, tolerance means I don't want to imprison or kill people with distasteful opinions; it doesn't mean I have to like them or their distasteful opinions.

People can be bigots, they can be jerks. Go nuts, folks, be bigots or jerks, I don't care. But I'm not going to trade with bigots or jerks, I'm not going to hire them, and I'm sure as hell not going to say "hey, you're a bigot and a jerk but tolerance so let's have a beer".

Some people have no place in my life, and the beliefs they hold are a big determining factor in that decision. If they really wanna be my friend or business partner, they can change their beliefs.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Chris2048 » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 5:45 PM UTC

mrgordon wrote: post #855

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It's my perception part of Thiel's motivation was to stop Gawker from outing closet homosexuals. And the freedom of speech you so vigorously protect was to reveal details of a B-List celebrities sexual activities. Where is the moral courage on that? Yes Freedom of Speech is paramount among our rights, but it's not inviolately absolute. The Gawker guys were scum but that's not why they lost their lawsuit. They lost th…

Yes Thiel had a vendetta against Gawker so he funded an unrelated lawsuit against them and used his billions to shut them down. The vendetta stemmed from the fact that the gay founder of Gawker found it horrifying that Thiel would hide his homosexuality when he should be a role model for other homosexuals that you can be gay and still be a rich and powerful VC. Whether or not you agree with Denton on that point, secr…

> shutting them down doesn't feel too morally courageous either

Why? What did the world lose with Gawker?

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Chris2048 » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 5:48 PM UTC

user837387 wrote: post #830

masondixon wrote: post #726

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And if he doesn't?

If he doesn't leave the country worse off then what it is right now then I'll admit that I was wrong in thinking that he would screw up this country. If he actually makes it better then I'll admit that he was a good choice. The country by the way is in pretty good condition right now. People have easily forgotten 2008. I really hope we do not need to do another clean up in 2020. Will you accept you screw up if he scr…

Can you talk in specifics rather than referring just to "lies" and "gaslighting"?

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Chris2048 » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 5:50 PM UTC

return0 wrote: post #665

masondixon wrote: post #575

A huge issue today is the lack of calm, reasoned debate. As a Trump supporter I have never been able to properly explain the rationale to a liberal. I believe there is a worthy debate beneath all the political smear, but it is never reached. I believe the reason for this is the liberal media and the incredibly effective Democratic party election machine. The argument stays at the high level of "how could you vote for…

Wise decision to create a new account for this comment! I have the same problem trying to explain to my european friends why trump won and why it is not all crazy.

I'm European, and British. I voted Brexit. I understand.

If the rust/bible belters feel the same as Northern England, I fully understand.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by davesque » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 5:52 PM UTC

masondixon wrote: post #575

A huge issue today is the lack of calm, reasoned debate. As a Trump supporter I have never been able to properly explain the rationale to a liberal. I believe there is a worthy debate beneath all the political smear, but it is never reached. I believe the reason for this is the liberal media and the incredibly effective Democratic party election machine. The argument stays at the high level of "how could you vote for…

Sorry, but this notion that Trump supporters are being unfairly criticized is a complete straw man. Vigorous criticism is what we should all expect for someone who fans the flames of mistrust and xenophobia in order to accomplish their goals. There are certain lines you just don't cross. You don't imply that 20-25% of the world population (Muslims) is unfit to enter the country. You don't peddle conspiracy theories. You don't mock disabled people. You don't brag that you can do whatever you want to women just because you're famous. You don't do even one of these things, but he did all of them and more. Trump supporters need to own up to all of this instead of whining about being called out for it.

You also shouldn't expect us to take you at all seriously if you comment with a throwaway account named after the Mason-Dixon line which, at one point in history, separated territories where slavery was either legal or not legal. Don't evoke civil war symbolism and slavery and simultaneously expect to have a calm, reasoned debate.