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Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by epolanski »

zmmmmm wrote: post #113

Listen - that's the sound of millions of companies and users doubling down on Chinese models. It might be a national security problem for other nations to have access to these models. But it's equally now a national security problem for any other nation to depend on them. Or US tech in general.

As an European I'm happy to be convincing my clients from years to move out of any us dependencies.

It's tough, US technologies are everywhere but they are only liabilities. Microsoft is the stickiest of all.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by _heimdall »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #817

HN is mostly bitter cynics that think they understand AI safety better than the people that actually work on it.

There aren't many working on it though, definitely not enough given how many resources are going into building AI.

AI safety at these labs are largely focused on surface level measures and aren't empowered to stop progress of the company. I was surprised when Anthropic initially held Mythos back from the public, but it was always a temporary measure to give controlled access rather than a pause to make meaningful improvements in AI safety.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

I doubt logic applies here, but if the government message is that only US nationals can have access to non-nerfed Fable-class models, then better nerfing is not the solution, and logically the labs should not be able to employ non-nationals (e.g. Karpathy) since employees presumably do have, or may be suspected to have, non-nerfed access.

At some point, as AI becomes more powerful (Anthropic themselves seem to think we're already there), then it should really be necessary to have US government clearance to work on the models, just as it is for defense work.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by resters »

The government blocking access to frontier AI is the definition of AI dystopia. Let's hope Anthropic open sources Fable and teaches Donald Trump a lesson the way Deepseek did!

If Anthropic keeps Fable closed source and plays the Authoritarian game, at least we have hope that an upcoming Deepseek model will surpass Fable before long.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by huflungdung »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #450

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by largbae »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #450

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

This reads pretty one-sided.

The government is full of stupidity and this is indeed a big moment, but Anthropic has been begging for this outcome in their public messaging. If their fear-mongering was genuine, then great, they got their pause. If not, then what exactly did they want to happen?

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by drbojingle »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #450

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

I do think the Chinese will give away strong models. The US government can't control that and would make a mess if they tried. Companies making SOTA models would be undercut and all the funding that went into them would be wasted. Sounds like a great strategy for the Chinese.
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