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Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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There are completely fake bands, who are 'on tour', 'giving interviews', cranking out albums. Like "Shunned at a Funeral" [0] for instance, an AI Christian rock band. Mentioning nowhere that it is all fake. Here is a band member of the real band "Wings of Pegasus" who takes a closer look at these shenanigans in "Are you sure your favourite band is real?" [1] [0] https://www.youtube.com/@ShunnedataFuneral [1] https://…

You could say almost the same about Gorillaz except for the AI part.

Gorillaz had real people behind them.

Not unlike Buckethead, they seemed to prefer avoiding the direct spotlight of fame, but they still wanted to create these things and put their thoughts, feeling, and original aesthetic out there in the world.

...all of which is to say "except for the AI part" is a pretty big exception.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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It’s also OK to like what you like. She likes Suno jams. Great! I feel like this trope is strongest amongst musicians-feeling-underappreciated, but that the idea seeps in to all manners of creative work: that, because you’re rightfully proud of what you do, the audience is wronging you (or “lazy,” or “sad,” or “cheap,” or “tasteless”) by not appreciating it. It doesn’t make me feel a lot of sympathy.

It is, but also it's ok to silently judge people. If somebody told me "I choose to only read AI-generated books" I would also silently judge them.

> It is, but also it's ok to silently judge people.

You are free to judge people for liking AI music, or in fact anything obviously. We all judge, and must live with judgement. But is this judgement supposed to be of any particular importance given it is equally likely someone is passing judgment on you for something they may personally dislike?

It just often feels as if there is an assumption that one's own standards are that which is "normal," while everyone else's are the weird ones. But to plenty of other people, our own interests, values, hobbies, or lifestyle choices would may be considered equally rubbish and worthy of judgement, according to their worldview and experience.

I would say, judge people if you want. As we all largely do, though I try not to do. Provided it comes with the realisation you're not somehow standing outside the exact same process.

Note: I do not willingly consume AI content, nor do I have any particular interest in doing so. But I have had people very openly judge me for things that for many of us here would be considered entirely normal, including my choice to work with computers for a living. So I do not have a tendency to give any particular weight to the "judgement" of others, silent or otherwise, where my choices do not materially impact that individual or society at large.

To lighten the mood a little more, I am quite openly judged (and silently I expect) because I have a particular enjoyment for Russian hardbass :) Which many if exposed to it I would expect consider it to be total garbage. But it does nothing to reduce my enjoyment of it and nor would I allow it too.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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> Something went wrong with music and culture in recent times. Participation became consumption. There's probably more original music being created now than any time in history. Constant promotion of AI music is why you think it's not the case. > Concerts became about filming a DJ twiddling a USB controller. If you think being a DJ is more consumption than shouting cover songs near a lake, maybe you should try learn…

Filming a DJ

I just focused on how the work of DJ is reduced to "twiddling USB controller". But if you want to dig into that filming part, let's goo, because it's at best irrelevant and at worst harmful.

Irrelevant because if you are NOT filming you don't magically become people participating in art which is what that comment is about. You don't expect people at a show to play.

Harmful because if you ask any real musician or event organizer who's not very famous already, filming & posting and tagging is probably the biggest way to support them that you can do as audience. On par with actually coming to the show. For two reasons, it spreads word of mouth to people's followers and it gives musician/venue promo material. I chatted with many performers after events and they are always grateful for this.

And anyway literally no one pays ticket money to spend the entire show fimling. No one wants to be unpaid video guy. People film some bits to post and then hang out with others which is why they're there. Grifters who actually film entire shows hoping to earn more money than they spent on the ticket are annoying but very rare and they only go to already famous performers.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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It's clear that YouTube doesn't want you to have much influence over your feed. You can't even ban specific channels from being shown to you, which would be the simplest thing to implement, and other knobs that previously existed were silently removed. Since Google does nothing that isn't based on metrics, we can deduce that they have data to show that giving people settings to focus the recommendations on what they…

> You can't even ban specific channels from being shown to you Yes, you can. Click the video's 3-dot menu > Don't recommend channel. Though I have noticed that this only blocks them from showing up in the feed, not in the recommendations sidebar. I also have to run uBlock to hide shorts, already-watched videos, subscriber-only stuff...ain't saying the YT experience is good, not by any stretch of the imagination.

> Yes, you can.

You can click a button that makes a strong "suggestion" to the algorithim, which they will honor for as long as they feel like.

I went through this a few years ago when the channel of a large far right "news" broadcaster kept being jammed on my front page, and the best I could do was keep hitting the button and have it it "temporarily" be removed from my front page before it would inevitably show up again months down the line.

Perhaps it is not deliberate, and merely incompetence. Either way resolved on desktop with an addon because if I wanted to gamble, i'd go to a casino.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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This is interesting. I think AI music will be massive in a few years. It makes sense to listen to music made just for you by a model that knows you. You're bound to feel more emotion from that than trying to relate to something that wasn't written about you

> made just for you by a model that knows you It “knows” nothing. It has a database of tokens you have given it to generate more tokens, constantly turning toward meaningless averages unless you steer it strong. Technically speaking any Meta or Google algorithm “knows you” better. I am not religious, but I can connect into some desire for spiritual, salvation and purity in Allegri’s Miserere. I am not Catholic, I opp…

>nothing

>meaningless

>narcissistic

>wank

Cool insults. But my lying eyes and ears still say that AI knows me pretty well and is bringing plenty of value to my life.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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So far all it does to the video is add a small tag in the corner. It doesn't affect rankings or monetization. A false positive might annoy some subscribers at worst.

No one will click a video that has the ai tag though.

> No one will click a video that has the ai tag though.

This is the same thing you will see HN users saying unironically about ads. Yet the revenue of say Google and Meta would say otherwise.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Children and seniors are victimized by AI content on a huge scale. Regular adults like most of us here don't ever get such videos in their feeds. I saw kids spend many hours a day watching automatically generated videos. Not always AI-generated, sometimes it's AI-assisted and procedurally generated. It is quite unbelievable how vulnerable weaker minds, for the lack of a better term, are to AI content. I saw a group o…

It's not just mind either. I know at least one person whose around 60, still very smart actually, but has diminished vision and hearing. So less able to pick up the obvious signs.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Social media is not inherently predatory. Even between different providers Instagram/Facebook/TikTok/Youtube you find extremely different approaches in respect to that. Instagram is the worst, in my experience. You can bake in algorithm behaviors that uplift, educate, help you not become addicted. Chinese TikTok for kids was once rumored to be like that. And, yes, you can regulate cocaine too. There's nothing stoppin…

"don't do drugs, kids" is essentially my message, do you agree or not? idc how potentially beneficial screens may be, in the future (now?) we will start treating screens like smoking Some of us are still in the "smoking can be good for you stage"

I disagree. I don't want kids to abbuse drugs, smoke, drink, or doomscroll. But, what do you accomplish from saying "don't do it"? You don't want to take away anyone's agency, right? Further, this is not only about kids, people of all ages are susceptible to these patterns of behavior.

My message is basically, make it non-taboo, educate, give people tools to manage their behavior, prosecute predatory behaviors. To regulate social media, we can heavily regulate ads in social media; make ad algos, feed algos, recommendation engines transparent by law, in a way inspectable by individuals as well as journalists; put legal constraints on what these algos can do; use cryptography to get rid of fake accs and bots, without compromising anyone's privacy.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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"don't do drugs, kids" is essentially my message, do you agree or not? idc how potentially beneficial screens may be, in the future (now?) we will start treating screens like smoking Some of us are still in the "smoking can be good for you stage"

I disagree. I don't want kids to abbuse drugs, smoke, drink, or doomscroll. But, what do you accomplish from saying "don't do it"? You don't want to take away anyone's agency, right? Further, this is not only about kids, people of all ages are susceptible to these patterns of behavior. My message is basically, make it non-taboo, educate, give people tools to manage their behavior, prosecute predatory behaviors. To re…

"Don't take away agency!" proceeds to recommend the government take away agency

the best thing that can be done right now, rather than waiting for a broken government to fix our problems, is to admit to ourselves and parents that kids should not receive phones or iPads

it's not a good thing! taboos serve a purpose and it absolutely should be a cultural taboo.

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