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Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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I’ve seen managers hiring people with an intent to lay them off when winds change to protect themselves and their close circle. I can only imagine they’ve had great KPIs in both cases: first for scaling the team, and then for cutting costs.

This is completely acceptable. When was the last time you saw any job seeker seriously enquire about such practices in interviews or at the application stage? A lot of people here and in the industry in general seem to optimise for compensation package and put blinkers on themselves for other factors that are definitely relevant. Companies aren't penalised by candidates for such practices. I'm not saying it's good bu…

> This is completely acceptable.

Is it?

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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Welp, looks like I’m affected. If anyone is looking to hire a systems engineer with distributed systems and load balancing experience, shoot me an email at @piperswe.me :/ I’ll update this with a resume link tonight…

Are they claiming to use AI to replace systems people too? As in infrastructure folks?

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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I took one of those seasonal hire to fire Amazon roles, having thrived in Apple engineering for many years, and not needing to work really at all. It was laughable that the manager thought he could brainwash me (who used to report one level away from Steve Jobs) into learning how to write code, etc. He was from country X and would protect another wildly inappropriate employee also from country X despite her being a g…

Country X is India, isn't it?

X was China. The people from India were genuine hard working, in our two pizza team, or whatever they call it.

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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I’m curious, what was your AI usage and output like?

I had OpenCode doing most of my substantial code changes for me, once I figured out what the code changes had to be. (so, it saved me typing but not thinking) I also vibe-coded (really slop-forked TBH, that's the Cloudflare way after all) an internal tool that our team used. I definitely was not a small user of our AI tools, though I know that there are others with significantly more.

Were there smaller users of AI who still remain after this workforce reduction?

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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> AI tools make great team members even better This is the predominant (public) talking point. And it’s true. But along with that: when you have effective people becoming even more effective with AI, it becomes glaringly obvious who the INeffective people are. At which point it becomes hard to justify keeping those people around. (That often includes people who are otherwise effective but aren’t utilizing agents and…

It's weird to fire people instead of giving them training.

Training can be socialized by asking people to take govt loans on further education and then letting the people default on them. Why should company spend their profits on it? /s

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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A few people here have been impacted, so I want to talk about something constructive that could help them. As someone observing industry trends from the outside for a while, my advice to those looking to get hired these days: Build something useful from scratch – on your own –- that you can show off as soon as possible.

The buzzword everyone is looking for is "high-agency." (No, not those agents, but yes, those will help.) Basically employers want someone who will start something from scratch and take it to the finish line by themselves.

The interesting thing about this is, it is by definition not something you can put on your resume; It is something you show, not tell.

Yes, you need to do this even as you go through the absolute hell that is a job search. But trust me, this will a) help get a much better job, and b) help in the long run throughout and beyond your career. This will be the most valuable skill in the future.

You don’t need to use AI, but looking at the timeframes and skills in demand, yes, you very likely want to use AI.

A few other thoughts:

1. Target an area you are very familiar with. This will sharply cut down the time to MVP. This will be a challenge for the more junior folks, who should consider reaching out to senior mentors. Mentors, consider outsourcing a suitable personal project to them.

2. It could be something you are an expert on at work, if your employment contract and IP laws allow. As a bonus, releasing this as open source, or even a competing product if you’re so inclined, will have that intangible bonus of sticking it to your ex-employer.

3. Even if heavily using AI, keep your hands-on skill active. Most companies still do old-school leetcode interviews.

4. Bonus if you do something multi-disciplinary. Sprinkle in a domain you have no background in -- design, writing, sales, marketing, data science, frontend, whatever. You'll definitely need AI for this, and even when you make mistakes, few will harshly judge somebody down on their luck trying to expand their boundaries.

Hope this helps, and all the best!

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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People who lived through 2001 and 2008 crashes, did it look like this or was it even worse than what's happening these days with so many layoffs?

The problem today is we had 10 years of “learn to code” and a a lot of people did. Similar to 2001. 2009 wasn’t really bad for tech since we had a huge shortage of workers in the space. Companies would hire straight out of mid-tier universities. CS departments were desperate for students.

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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This is awkward. Exhibit A - September 2025 - "Help build the future" - Cloudflare hires 1111 interns to "help build the future" [ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-1111-intern-program/ ] Exhibit B - May 2026 - "Building for the future" - Cloudflare lays off 1100 people, about 20% of their workforce to "continue building the future" [ https://blog.cloudflare.com/building-for-the-future/ ] I'll finish on this quo…

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It's almost like there's a difference between a contractor and an employee. You'd think someone in the smartest cohort would know the difference. You wouldn't hire a full time groundskeeper just to plow your snow for 4 months and fire them when the weather changes.
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