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Re: Sam Altman may control our future – can he be trusted?

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Ronan Farrow here. Andrew Marantz and I spent 18 months on this investigation. Happy to answer questions about the reporting.

I know why the cantilevered pool statement is there and why you mentioned it. I’m sure you don’t know half of the totally fucked up things Sam did to get “revenge” for the slight of a leaking pool.

Now I want to know more....

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I wouldn't expect any LLM to be able to respect such a request. Do they even have direct access to published works to use as reference material? Also, last time I played 20 questions with ChatGPT, it needed 97 turns and tons of my active hinting to get the answer.

>>Do they even have direct access to published works to use as reference material? I mean, clearly, given that it did answer my question eventually. Also wasn't it a whole thing that these models got trained on entire book libraries(without necessarily paying for that). >>I wouldn't expect any LLM to be able to respect such a request Why though? They seem to know everything about everything, why not this specifically…

Why though? They seem to know everything about everything, why not this specifically.

The problem with this line of reasoning is that it is unscientific. "They seem to" is not good enough for an operational understanding of how LLMs work. The whole point of training is to forget details in order to form general capability, so it is not surprising if they forget things about books if the system deemed other properties as more important to remember.

Re: Sam Altman may control our future – can he be trusted?

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Ronan Farrow, the write of this article, made a comment in this thread that is buried in all the comments, "As is always the case with incredibly precise and rigorously fact-checked reporting like this, where every word is chosen carefully (the initial closing meeting for this one was nearly eight hours long, with full deliberation about each sentence), there is more out there on that subject than is explicitly on th…

I don't get why writers do this. It makes sense for fiction, but why a factual, non-fiction article?

You said factual. But what is factual for you and I may not be for someone else. There are a lot of recollections in the article where sama remembers one version or doesn't remember at all and the other party remembers something else. Combine that with the nature of the article and the legal issues considering egos and sums involved. To top all of that New Yorker is known for fact checking that is exhaustive to the point of paranoia.

I am just speculating but if @ronanfarrow is still checking the discussion here, it would be amazing to hear the actual reasons.

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that's not ADHD . People with ADHD would improve - it may take a LOT of time, but it will happen. Quite often they will go to the extreme and come in way too early. My bet would be on Cluster B personality trait e.g. lack of empathy and constant need for attention and validation. ADHD frequently co-occurs with other conditions.

That is not always true and not always with everyone. Many people who have ADHD have unsolvable time blindness. They don't mean to do it but their brain chemistry literally disallows them from not doing so in many cases.

Correct. It's been a lifelong struggle for me. I have found outside ways to address it, but even in my 30's I will forget to eat meals or do chores if I don't set disruptive alarms to do so.

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Throughout my life, what colleagues/friends are unwilling to remark plainly on has been the most telling factor of someone’s character to me.

This can be true I suppose, but equally I have a few friends who practically play characters as if they've resigned themselves to a role in a sitcom. For instance: one of my friends is late to just about everything and treats everyone as if we are on-call. We plainly note this repeatedly, the friend is, I hope, equally frustrated and embarrassed by it, and in spite of this nothing changes. This is obviously a critica…

I would say I didn't mean the statement that generally - it was contextual to the topic.

i.e. If your friends wont remark on your penmanship, who cares? If they wont remark on how you treat service workers at a restaurant, that's probably concerning.

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I think fundamentally, the concern is misplaced. The fact you need to work for wealth is a convention of our constraints. The change in constraints would lead to other means of distribution. It's easy to see if someone who believes more productivity is good would not see making jobs obsolete a real problem. Thew would see us adapting to the new conditions in a relatively short while.

>Thew would see us adapting to the new conditions in a relatively short while. Say ~5 million jobs in the next 10 years are automated away, which industries do those people move to? With college being exorbitantly expensive, that locks out many people from re-skilling in other fields. As people race to other industries, that forces down wages because now there is a larger pool to select from. How do we ensure people…

Yes, this poses political problems and it will have to be hashed out politically. Again, the problems with these are political not necessarily technological. And they are also tractable. There are many many possible ways this can play out and we should be careful which we choose. I just don't think the conclusion is foregone. There have been people's jobs displaced in the past. And things settled eventually. I won't argue they settled for "better" because many people are unhappy about many things, but I will say... the world is amazing.

At the risk of sounding like a longtermist, I think that when all is done, the result will be a net positive one, but it WILL cause strife for many people - probably me included. But I refuse to keep my childern's future hostage because I might have to reskill.

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Human cognition is nothing like AI "cognition." It really bothers me that people think AI is doing the same thing the human mind does. AI is more like a parrot which is trained to give a correct-looking response to any question. The parrot doesn't think, doesn't know what its doing etc, it just does it because it gets a treat every time a "good" answer is prompted. This is why it can't do things like know how many pa…

AI is more like a parrot which is trained to give a correct-looking response to any question. A parrot that writes better code and English prose than I do? I would like to buy your parrot.

I suspect we just continually overestimate the uniqueness of both our code and our vocabulary. We think we are pretty smart, and we are, but on these two measures 99.999% of us are pretty average, and the LLM just keeps surprising us anyway by proving it.

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If this is noteworthy, the burden of proof should be on the poster, not the reader to substantiate these claims.

I don't really like this take, as it tries to make being informed somehow not the readers responsibility.

Sorry, not going to open a cold case file for every HN claim. Citations would be good. I'd read them.

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As a scientist (computational physicist, so plenty of math, but also plenty of code, from Python PoCs to explicit SIMD and GPU code, mostly various subsets of C/C++), I can confirm - Codex is qualitatively better for my usecases than Claude. I keep retesting them (not on benchmarks, I simply use both in parallel for my work and see what happens) after every version update and ever since 5.2 Codex seems further and fu…

I've tried both against similar and haven't found it such a clear cut difference. I still find neither are able to fully implement a complex algorithm I worked on in the past correctly with the same inputs. Not sharing exactly the benchmark I'm using but think about something for improving performance of N^2 operations that are common in physics and you can probably guess the train of thought.

I can roughly guess the train of thought and I am a bit surprised that Claude is failing you.

That said, I am puzzled at the algorithms that Claude & GPT "get" and ones that they do not.

(former physicist here. would love to know the kind of things you're working on. email on my profile)

Re: Sam Altman may control our future – can he be trusted?

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Ronan Farrow here. Andrew Marantz and I spent 18 months on this investigation. Happy to answer questions about the reporting.

Ask him about the “hermetic order”(that is either emergent, convergent or by design?)one discovers in interiority studies of GPT.
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