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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by bigfatkitten »

8ytecoder wrote: post #550
seanhunter wrote: post #248

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Short answer: today I think there is genuinely nothing that anyone should use oracle for, but their database used to be seriously far ahead of the competition. A very long time ago (circa 2000) there were basically 2 databases that worked for use cases where you needed high availability and vertical scalability and those were Oracle and Sybase and Oracle was really the only game in town if you actually wanted certain…

We were building a payments system in the early 2000s and got a diktat to not use Oracle. The amount of things we had to build to satisfy the availability and durability requirements were so huge it consumed the first few years of work. We didn’t get to the business side of things until much later. Funny thing is we ended up giving up on MySQL and went back to oracle after all that work. The whole thing was scraped a…

Salesforce have been building an Oracle replacement based on Postgres for years, named Sayonara and as far as I know, it’s not ready yet.

https://www.theregister.com/2016/05/16/salesforce_replace_or...

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by nineteen999 »

DrJokepu wrote: post #287
seanhunter wrote: post #248

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Short answer: today I think there is genuinely nothing that anyone should use oracle for, but their database used to be seriously far ahead of the competition. A very long time ago (circa 2000) there were basically 2 databases that worked for use cases where you needed high availability and vertical scalability and those were Oracle and Sybase and Oracle was really the only game in town if you actually wanted certain…

There was also DB2. DB2 was (still is) an excellent database that IBM has completely fumbled.

As somebody who administers several large DB2 clusters all linked together with multiple replication modes (HADR, SQLREP) for an emergency services communication platform, I can confirm this. It's pretty damn rock solid even on Linux these days.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by bcantrill »

oblio wrote: post #836
bcantrill wrote: post #730

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For whatever it's worth (perhaps not much?), I was actually asked about this three-decade-old post (!) recently on the Peterman Pod[0], which allowed for a slightly more nuanced discussion. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhSL-5GtmQM&t=3757s

Yeah, I know, I think you were 25 or something back then :-)

I was 22! (I was only slightly older than my oldest kid is now!) So... yeah. May your mistakes at 22 not follow you around at age 52!

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by drillsteps5 »

balderdash wrote: post #403
sellmethepen wrote: post #343

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There's more to it than just pure databases. They have a pretty large vertical of SaaS apps, specifically ERP. Oracle Saas (their ERP platform) is used by thousands of customers - these are systems implemented with SI's and run super critical functions like payroll, manufacturing, etc really hard to rip out once they're put in place. This has been fueling their growth for some time, and seems like OCI is picking up n…

on this point the netsuite ecosystem is huge and there are not that many options for SME's that are too big/complex for inacct or quicken (even campfire/rillet etc) but don't want to get anywhere near SAP, Infor, IFS, oracle (not netsuite).

Oracle has also owned JD Edwards since early 2000s which is in many large legacy companies (I think a lot of them are still in mainframes).

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by wnevets »

nedt wrote: post #838
wnevets wrote: post #308

Very often people will defend these kind of layouts as the result of overhiring but then shouldn't the leadership that over hired 30K people also be held accountable?

So you are saying they shouldn't have given those 30k people a job to begin with? I don't know if that's any better.

> So you are saying they shouldn't have given those 30k people a job to begin with? I don't know if that's any better.

For the long term health of the company it's near a certainty that would have been better. The effects of adding ~20K then laying off 30K in such a relatively small period of time are gonna be felt for years

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by sneak »

wiseowise wrote: post #636
sneak wrote: post #498

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You can quit your relationships at any time, too. That's a fundamental tenet of our society - consent to an interaction between free people can be withdrawn at any moment for any reason. That's not perpetual anxiety - that's the way things work today, and the way things have worked for generations. Anyone pretending otherwise is fooling themselves with lies.

Before I continue with this thread, how old are you? And have you ever been in a long time relationship with someone? Do you own a house? Have kids?

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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by sneak »

wiseowise wrote: post #669
randomNumber7 wrote: post #644

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In germany you have the opposite and it is also nonsense. You have to work with people that do literally nothing (usefull to the goal of the company) and they can't be fired. Companies are afraid to hire. Young people only get short therm contracts. If a company needs to cut jobs it has to keep employees with children over the others. What society will be more productive?

What makes you think that productivity is the most important goal? I’ll take Germany way over Silicon Valley bullshit any time of the day.

The ability to fire people without notice is not Silicon Valley bullshit - it is how the labor market works in almost all places in the entire world.

It is ridiculous to think that either party to an employment relationship should be forced to participate longer than they wish to.

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Post by sneak »

wiseowise wrote: post #625
HomeDeLaPot wrote: post #584

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You want the government to force employers to provide a social safety net rather than the government providing it directly? The problem isn't that people can be fired, it's that their food, housing, and medical care are all dependent on or provided through their employer.

> A job today isn’t (*and shouldn’t be*) any guarantee of a job tomorrow. This is nonsense and shouldn’t be normalized.

Normalized? It’s how things work everywhere. The burden of proof is on you to specify why you think this is “nonsense” and on what basis you justify violatiny the consent of one of the parties.

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Post by balderdash »

stego-tech wrote: post #467
balderdash wrote: post #419

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A while ago we were looking at migrating ERP - netsuite was a not a good price proposition and candidly feels a bit dated - but when you mapped features it was pretty impressive and for a lot of business that have some complexity (multi-entity, multi-currency, multi site mfg or inventory), there is not a whole lot of good alternatives because you can't use quicken but you definitely don't want SAP

The irony is that the ERP space is ripe for innovation and disruption, but nobody wants to get into ERP because it's a goddamn nightmare. Every business runs slightly differently than everyone else, and ERP tries to be this all-encompassing monolith. I wonder if the solution to ERP isn't just targeted microservices exposing data via APIs...

yeah but i think that is the problem - everyone wants to customize / thinks their business is super unique, but honestly the customization is what makes ERP so painful. industry customization is important (motels are different than a small manufacturer) but for SMEs a standard solution that fits their industry is the can be implemented in a manner that's not akin to open heart surgery would be far more valuable to these firms.

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Post by jp0d »

Aurornis wrote: post #460
jimkleiber wrote: post #321

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I'm not sure if companies understand the emotional impact on the laid off and the layoff survivors. It almost seems like a terror campaign, whether intended or not.

One of my past employers tried to give laid off employees a dignified send offs including not immediately revoking their access. The number of people who snap and make rash decisions to try to exfiltrate data, plant backdoor logins for themselves, or sabotage company work in those hours was a much larger number than I would have guessed prior to seeing it.

I've been through two restructures and both times I'd full access to everything for a month until my position was being decided. There thousand plus employees affected and not a single one did anything like what you've described. I'm Australian if that helps.
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