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Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by gambiting »

devilbunny wrote: post #846
gambiting wrote: post #840

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>>I need the car to go right then. And again, in modern cars with IGS systems the engagement is literally instantaneous. I really recommend trying it, it's pretty neat.

In a 2023 Mercedes it is most assuredly not instantaneous. Maybe it's just their implementation that's unpredictable. But that's the car my wife owns, so it's the one I've tried it on. Still, keep using it if you like it. I don't hate that it exists. I hate that I can't turn it off and leave it off.

Yeah I'm just saying try it in a car where it works well. In my XC60 it's paired with an electric motor on the rear axle so even with the engine off the car accelerates from standstill like an EV - instantaneously and with plenty of torque.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by dalyons »

bluGill wrote: post #838
dalyons wrote: post #826

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It’s also because most PHEVs sold are terrible EVs. Weak, short range, cut to gas all the time. Impractical to use as a pure ev. This style of phev is greenwashing and should be sold as a gas car for emissions rules. EREVs are a different story, and have a place in the transition for awhile.

> Weak, short range, cut to gas all the time. This doesn't make them terrible! This makes them great. That means they can run 80% of the time as an EV, yet use the ICE just enough to not ever have stale gas in the tank. As a driver you barely notice, and someone outside will have no clue what mode it is operating in. (wind noise is louder than the ICE) When there are fast chargers on every corner like gas stations ar…

> That means they can run 80% of the time as an EV

they dont though. Real world data shows it indeed makes them terrible.

https://electrek.co/2026/02/19/biggest-study-yet-shows-plug-...

https://www.electrive.com/2026/01/23/year-end-surge-electric...

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by gambiting »

clifdweller wrote: post #843
gambiting wrote: post #742

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>>Auto start is pretty much universally hated especially since it's ubiquitous and can usually only be turned off for a single ride. Which I absolutely don't understand. It's a fantastic technology and I wish I could retro-fit them to some of my older cars too, it's literally fantastic. Like, who likes sitting in standstill traffic and listening to their 4 cylinder rambler working when they are just standing still???…

The key word there is disappeared which means engineering effort was put into vehicle design to make it a non issue. more robust/new starter design, more expensive battery tech required, simulations to validate no carbon buildup and real world testing, software calibration to make sure if engine is too cold or turbo too hot doesn't auto stop. All driving up costs to consumer thus consumers would liek to have somethin…

>>often is annoying when coming to a stop at a stopsign to have car turn off momentarily for no benefit

The benefit is that it's nice an quiet. I don't care about the fuel saving.

>>it worth it the added cost to my vehicle

I'm not sure what that cost is, even if there is one. My XC60 got rid of the starter motor and just uses then ISG which it would have to have anyway being a plug in hybrid. The engine obviously has to start and stop at any moment to allow EV running too, so that engineering had to be done anyway.

But I had one of the early S/S systems in a 2013 Nissan Qashqai and I never had any issues with it in my 7 years of ownership, not entirely sure if it added anything to the price of the vehicle as the previous model year with the same engine but no S/S cost exactly the same.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

It increasingly looks like legacy auto should have pursued (and still can, there is a LOT of runway for it) PHEV architectures for a 10 year cycle. Well to be honest government should have put a hard deadline of 10 years for PHEVs over 20 years ago (10 years after the Prius/Insight was released) for all consumer platforms or pay a $5000 new car tax.

PHEVs with 50 miles of range would effectively make almost all day-to-day driving electrified, at least in "consumer" transportation, wouldn't require special recharging equipment beyond a 110V outlet, removes range anxiety, would alleviate urban air pollution.

Of course nothing will be done in this administration. But to the point of the article, oil and transportation dependence, even with extensive shale oil production, remains a national security risk that PHEVs and alt energy can mitigate.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by defrost »

rudhdb773b wrote: post #817
defrost wrote: post #751

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The word "American" has many sub entries in the Oxford English Dictionary - not all of those meanings are "citizen of the USofA". So much for unambiguous.

Have you ever actually heard it used in conversation or writing where the speaker's intention was a meaning that included people outside of the USA? I haven't.

I have, yes.

I note, also, that you didn't ask if anyone

> " heard it used in conversation or writing where the speaker's intention was a meaning that included people outside of America? "

which further explans why non-USAians like myself adopted the practice decades past of prefering clarity for precision.

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Post by Peanuts99 »

sys_64738 wrote: post #270
darknavi wrote: post #197

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> Anything you need to plug into a power source is doomed to fail. Totally disagree. One of the reasons I drive an EV is so I _can_ plug it in and never go to a gas station again. What a useless exercise and waste of my time, especially for a penny-pincher like me who would wait in like for 20 minutes at Costco for gas.

Plugging it in is why it is so awful. It takes ages to charge it and you don't get very much range for a full charge. Battery technology is so incredibly poor right now and EV manufacturers are just plain dumb until they make the body of the car harness the sun's rays.

I'll take the 30 seconds of plugging my car in when I get home than the 20 minute detour to the petrol station. Especially because my electric at nighttime is so cheap. But you do you.

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Post by skissane »

tialaramex wrote: post #775
Symbiote wrote: post #700

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https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/1998/70/oj/eng This EU directive banned the sale of leaded petrol in the UK on 1 January 2000.

Hmm. The thing is, EU directives aren't themselves law, or rather, in a sense they are but they're laws for the EU member states, telling them that they need to legislate to achieve this thing but without specifying how. The EU can write legislation which is binding on actual citizens, but it mostly writes directives, like this, which just tell the member states to do the legislating. So, was this directive actually…

That directive was implemented in the UK by The Motor Fuel (Composition and Content) Regulations 1999 (as amended) - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/3107/made

Part III makes it illegal to sell leaded petrol in the UK without a government permit

No idea how many of these permits have been issued

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Post by simonbarker87 »

gensym wrote: post #229
gcanyon wrote: post #214

EVs are going to be an extinction-level event for carmakers. As the buggy-makers failed to transition to making cars, and thus ceased to be, so too will automakers fail to transition to EVs, and thus end their viability as vehicle manufacturers.

Right? Have any of the execs making these decisions ever ridden in an EV? They are so much better that the experience I've seen is no one will ever go back to preferring ICE after spending time with an EV. My family currently has 2 ICE vehicles (one is a PHEV). I really doubt we'll buy another. The week I spent renting an EV (an Ioniq 5, so not even a high-end one) convinced me. Enjoyable to drive. Having to figure o…

I had an EV for 6 months about 2 years ago and went back to an ICE car happily, it will be a long time before I try again

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Post by skybrian »

mullingitover wrote: post #77

I'm convinced that the Japanese government is terrified of EVs because all the small and medium-sized businesses which support the Japanese auto industry will be absolutely gutted when vehicles contain drastically fewer parts. That, and Japan is deeply screwed if they go all-in on EVs and then China decides they shouldn't be allowed access to any more rare earths.

I've read that the Japanese electrical grid would be hard to upgrade to charge lots of electric vehicles, and that somewhat explains their enthusiasm for hydrogen.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by phainopepla2 »

speedgoose wrote: post #200
phainopepla2 wrote: post #192

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I am convinced that some safety features (such as lane assist, for example), actually make roads less safe on net, because they allow or encourage drivers to be less engaged in the act of driving. But then, if it were up to me we'd all be driving manual transmissions.

I see what you mean but some features are great. The ones that stops automatically to not run over cyclists and pedestrians for example. Also why manual transmissions for everyone ? It’s kinda slow and cumbersome. It’s fun to pretend play being a good pilot, but that’s obsolete.

My main argument for manual transmissions would be that because it requires both hands to be engaged it leaves less availability for the right hand to pick up their phone. The number of people I see holding and staring at their phone while driving down my residential street is shocking.

I also think it just connects you to the act of driving more, which I'm convinced (without evidence, just a hunch) makes you a safer driving

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