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Post by ericmay »

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #829
ericmay wrote: post #780

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I think most, perhaps all of those "important turning points" aren't really important turning points but just business as usual.

Is threatening an ally business as usual? Tell me about all the times that recent presidents threatened a NATO ally...

Things change. Allies just used to be threatened in private. Even today, the UK, Canada, and others are supporting the US and Israel in taking down the regime.

I’m not suggesting things haven’t or can’t change, but I am suggesting we haven’t seen any pivotal turning points, at least not yet.

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Post by burnerRhodov2 »

I don't understand why anthropic would take a $200m contract, when the scope of government use may conflict with the company’s stated safety boundaries.

Like, duh? Then you are going to be all high and mighty about your morals, but why did you take the $200m in the first place?

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

jspdown wrote: post #610

Domestic mass surveillance might feel tolerable when you live in the country conducting it. But how would you feel about other countries adopting similar policies, and thereby mass-surveilling the American people? Because that's exactly what these policies authorize when applied to the rest of the world.

Other countries can't send armed thugs to my door over petty stuff like my local government can.

Nobody in the history of ever has been concerned that the agents of some foreign country may know what they read, who they associate with or what kind of penis pills they buy or whatever, the threat has always been that those local enough to do violence on you might come into that information.

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Post by rayiner »

nullocator wrote: post #840
rayiner wrote: post #759

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If anyone thinks the moral justification for selective service has diminished, they should launch a campaign to repeal it and see how it goes over. I suspect that the non-prosecution more reflects the public’s leniency in the absence of major threats since the fall of the soviet union than a change in the underlying normative view. Conscientious objection still puts the ball in the government’s court. You have to mak…

> they should launch a campaign to repeal it and see how it goes over You are conflating lack of true representation (what we have), with lack of support. It's very possible that the broad majority of the electorate would in fact get rid of conscription in the U.S. if they actually had a say in the matter? [1] > I suspect that the non-prosecution more reflects the public’s leniency in the absence of major threats sin…

That poll asks whether the U.S. should have a draft “at this time,” which was four years after the Iraq war. That’s completely different than asking whether they agree with the principle that the government can conscript people into war.

But go ahead and run on repealing Selective Service. Ideally in time for midterms.

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Post by rayiner »

praptak wrote: post #794
rayiner wrote: post #738

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It’s a descriptive statement about the law. But you’re mischaracterizing the normative principle underlying the law. It’s not based on power, but rather the moral duties incumbent on citizens.

The moral duty of a citizen is to sabotage their country when it becomes immoral.

Who decides what’s moral in a democracy? You?

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Post by rayiner »

catlover76 wrote: post #743
rayiner wrote: post #738

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It’s a descriptive statement about the law. But you’re mischaracterizing the normative principle underlying the law. It’s not based on power, but rather the moral duties incumbent on citizens.

> It’s not based on power, but rather the moral duties incumbent on citizens. People largely tend not to believe in this kind of jingoistic bullshit nowadays.

Far right parties are gaining ground everywhere from France to Germany to Italy to Japan. But go ahead tell me that humanist universalism is actually what’s on the upswing.

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Post by sigwinch »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #676
pif wrote: post #660

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Utter idiocy at election day is not passivity. History will put Trumpers and Confederate at the same level of despicability.

You mean have a holiday for him? 4-8 states have a Confederacy Memorial Day.

I think it’ll be close to that. Probably some of these benefits-heavy red states.

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Post by thunderfork »

rayiner wrote: post #855
praptak wrote: post #794

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The moral duty of a citizen is to sabotage their country when it becomes immoral.

Who decides what’s moral in a democracy? You?

Human beings all and each have the agency to make this choice for themselves.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

adventured wrote: post #731
busko wrote: post #546

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Yep, where does your trust lay now? It's been a minute of pretending it'll be okay.

Nothing has changed in decades regarding this. People just like to pretend something new is happening, because they're extremely desperate to proclaim a fundamental turning / ending of the US (which is why every single event brings out those claims: this time is different! America will never recover from this! etc). US tech companies were previously forced into compliance with PRISM or threatened with destruction (se…

The US has already ended. It was destroyed in 9/11/2001. America is a shadow of its former self.

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

doodlebugging wrote: post #822
drcongo wrote: post #669

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It's so weird how Epstein manages to pop up in basically all US discourse, even a conversation about AI use in the military.

We would not be doing anything in Iran right now if the Epstein problem did not exist for Trump and his cohorts. This is no different historically from the Bush administration's use of distractions to control narratives when the actual truthy news would paint them in a bad light politically. Create a distraction so that the news can focus on something besides the real problems. Another cycle in the process. We need m…

My landlord is a highly-decorated E-6 (drafted sargeant) Vietnam vet — a good friend of many years. I helped copyedit his memoirs, we have shared backbreaking-work together (his home maintenance).

It's incredible to me that he'll probably still be alive when young adults start getting drafted again — is this how "they"re going to deal with excess NEETs?

I was their age back when Iraq/WMDs were all-the-news... and remember when Mother cried worried tears of her own draft-age sons (some decades ago).

My friend and I are very worried, now both old enough as to become unfit for service.

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