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Agreed. For anyone curious, here's the UK report from the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) from 2023-2024. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cze3p1j710ko Reports on sextortion, self-generated indecent images, and grooming via social media/messaging apps: Snapchat 54% Instagram 11% Facebook 7% WhatsApp 6-9% X 1-2%
What are the percentages?
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Well, yes, it is actually pretty normal for suspected criminal businesses. What's unusual is that this one has their own publicity engine. Americans are just having trouble coping with the idea of a corporation being held liable for crimes. More normally it looks like e.g. this in the UK: https://news.sky.com/video/police-raid-hundreds-of-businesse... CyberGEND more often seem to do smalltime copyright infringement e…
“Americans are just having trouble coping with the idea of a corporation being held liable for crimes.” I’m sorry but that’s absurd even amidst the cacophony of absurdity that comprises public discourse these days.
How was TikTok held liable for the crimes it was accused of?
To people claiming a physical raid is pointless from the point of gathering data : - you are thinking about a company doing good things the right way. You are thinking about a company abiding by the law, storing data on its own server, having good practices, etc. The moment a company starts to do dubious stuff then good practices start to go out the window. People write email with cryptic analogies, people start dele…
It's also just very basic police work. We're investigating this company, we think they've committed a crime. Ok, why do you think that. Well they've very publicly and obviously committed a crime. Ok, are you going to prosecute them? Probably. Have you gone to their offices and gathered evidence? No thanks. Of course they're going to raid their offices! They're investigating a crime! It would be quite literally insane…
Police raids offices literally investigating CSA: "nooo police should not physically invade, what happened to good old electronic surveillance?"
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“Americans are just having trouble coping with the idea of a corporation being held liable for crimes.” I’m sorry but that’s absurd even amidst the cacophony of absurdity that comprises public discourse these days.
I'll bite. How was TikTok held liable for the crimes it was accused of?
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There still needs to be sexual abuse depicted, no? Just naked kids should not be an issue, right?
If I found a folder with a hundred images of naked kids on your PC, I would report you to authorities, regardless of what pose kids are depicted in. So I guess the answer is no.
> "the only country in the world that is criminally persecuting all social networks that give people some degree of freedom" Sounds like he's never been to Russia. Which is weird, given that he's Russian
My most recent case: I went on holiday to a resort in Turkey, numerous Russians, families, retired, etc. I don't pass as a Russian-speaker (but I understand quite well) and once they hear me talking other unrelated language they naturally start to speak more freely in front of me (i.e. more liberal use of swearing, and even slurs if no other Russians are around).
While sunbathing, or at the restaurant, or the pool, they were talking about daily, mundane things, same in the restaurant, etc. But when floating in pairs 20-30m from the shore? Politics.
Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform
It seems people have a rather short memory when it comes to twitter. When it was still run by Jack Dorsey, CP was abundant on twitter and there was little effort to tamp down on it. After Musk bought the platform, he and Dorsey had a public argument in which Dorsey denied the scale of the problem or that old twitter was aware of it and had shown indifference. But Musk actually did take tangible steps to clean it up a…
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That is not the argument. No one is arguing about banning open source LLMs that could potentially create problematic content on huggingface, but X provides not only an AI model, but a platform and distribution as well, so that is inherently different
No it is not. X is dumb pipe. You have humans on both ends. Arrest them, summary execute them whatever. You go after X because it is a choke point and easy.
X also actively distributes and profits off of CSAM. Why shouldn't the law apply to distribution centers?
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That is not the argument. No one is arguing about banning open source LLMs that could potentially create problematic content on huggingface, but X provides not only an AI model, but a platform and distribution as well, so that is inherently different
No it is not. X is dumb pipe. You have humans on both ends. Arrest them, summary execute them whatever. You go after X because it is a choke point and easy.
To people claiming a physical raid is pointless from the point of gathering data : - you are thinking about a company doing good things the right way. You are thinking about a company abiding by the law, storing data on its own server, having good practices, etc. The moment a company starts to do dubious stuff then good practices start to go out the window. People write email with cryptic analogies, people start dele…
No need to be coy the raid exists because it's a way to punish the company without proving anything. They have zero intention of getting even the slightest bit of valuable data related to Grok from this.
So no, don't be coy and pretend that all governments are like American institutions.