This is probably a good day to take time away from social media. Doom scrolling won’t do anything Instead there’s DHS funding going through Congress which could give Congress leverage to restrict ICE. To be clear ICE will still operate past the funding deadline. But Congress can create limits like mandating allowing states to investigate these crimes. Restrict who can carry firearms. Write your senators and ask them…
How about no masks. If you are a police officer, of the state, wear your face with pride.
Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning
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#852- get rid of all immigrants (illegal alients)
- get rid of everyone who is against ICE
- take Canada, Greenland, Mexico and Colombia
Thus seriously, any minimal possibility to justify actions of ICE? Scared, non trained, a very stupid agent, whatever ?
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#853Earlier quoted context omitted.
This construction: > whether the protestor could possibly have wielded their gun while being restrained by agents, or whether he is disarmed by the gray-jacketed agent, or what caused the agents to fire when they did Is a list of excuses for the shooting (to wit: "maybe he wielded the gun", "maybe he wasn't disarmed", "maybe they had cause to fire"). It's all things that would have (arguably) made it justified. You'l…
LEO are also individuals who get due process rights. The law will generally require considering whether Y or Z happened if there's reason to suppose that it might have. More importantly, when X is phrased in a way that implies intent or motives not in evidence, or plays up the injustice of X in legally irrelevant ways, that's reason to push back in an open Internet discussion.
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#854Earlier quoted context omitted.
That happens every time. A few hours later the talking points get decided on and it’s suddenly crickets. (Plus a few bans.)
https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1qlzhb3/ice... The narrative has officially shifted to, "ICE subdued an armed supremest with gang ties."
I'm divided on if the r/Conservative mods are deliberate foreign agitprop actors, Trump admin employees, or MAGA true believers.
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#856Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't hear or see them, no. The video footage available isn't high enough quality. There's too much chaos, people are using phones that they can't hold steady, etc.
The phone not being steady matters for sound recording? How?
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#857Despite all the outraged rhetoric on here, it does not seem reasonable to assume that the officer simply decided to murder the man out of anger, spite, bloodlust, and perceived immunity.
Rather, a dispassionate analysis of the scenario might suggest that the shooter only saw the weapon be drawn by an unknown hand, and not discerning that it was one of his fellow officers disarming the struggling man, instead believed that the struggling man had managed to draw his own weapon and was preparing to fire.
Given the facing of the struggling man and the shooting officer, it seems unlikely that his first fear was for his own life but rather for the lives of his comrades, and so he fired his weapon to remove the perceived threat to his fellow officers lives.
This explains exactly why he fired almost immediately after he saw the gun drawn. Not an extrajudicial execution as some are recklessly calling it, but a tragic example of having to make life and death decisions with an imperfect view of the ... battlefield for lack of a better term ... and the foolishness of getting in the way of armed men.
I tell my kids they have the right of way at the crosswalk but right of way is not going to save their life if the car doesn't see them, so look both ways and make sure cars are slowing down.
The same sense of caution should be used when deciding to get in the way of men, even good and lawful men, with guns.
It made sense to protest the Vietnam war or Iraq or Afghanistan in America, not in the war zone.
We have freedom of speech and the right to petition the government for redress of grievances, but do that from the sidewalk, in court, or before Congress, not in the line of fire of a police action. And I don't believe we have the right to block roads, scream in the faces of law enforcement or military personnel, or impede them in the fulfillment of their lawful duties which these immigration enforcement actions are.
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#858Based on seeing the video, it seems an officer standing in front of the decedent is the one who drew/disarmed the weapon from the decedent's holster. This was under the arching body of another agent who was holding the decedent down. The man who shot him was standing behind him. Despite all the outraged rhetoric on here, it does not seem reasonable to assume that the officer simply decided to murder the man out of an…
The officer walked up to him and the woman with the backpack and started an altercation.
Using your right of way analogy the officer drove up on the sidewalk to take out your kids, no crosswalk involved.
If you’re going to defend this with a “well look at what she was wearing” type defense then you’re just ok with government agents executing citizens whenever they feel like it.
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#860This links to a synchronized amalgamation of multiple video angles: https://streamable.com/udofq5 It clearly shows that Alex Pretti never drew a weapon, and his (legally owned and carried) CCW was removed by one of the agents from its holster seconds prior to other agents shooting Alex in the back. Agents are visibly using pepper spray, pistol whipping his head, and even though it’s 5+ vs one, don’t even appear to be…