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The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by vehemenz »

rajivjain wrote: post #103

My biggest peeve with macOS Tahoe is the App Launcher redesign. It seems like a clear regression in usability. By moving from a high-density, full-screen experience to a constrained, scrolling window, they’ve increased the interaction cost for launching apps via the mouse. It feels like a 'unification tax. Sacrificing desktop utility to align with non-Desktop modalilties. Does anyone see a functional upside here, or…

This is a weird one. I think their reasoning was that most people don't use Launchpad, so they integrated it into Spotlight to eliminate redundancy.

I much prefer the new app launcher in Tahoe, but it was created at the expense of Launchpad, which some people actually relied on. I don't know why they couldn't have kept both options.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by demiters »

corndoge wrote: post #782
sumo89 wrote: post #603

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I recently built a windows PC again for gaming. Haven't used one for years. Everything's fresh, loads of room on hard drives etc and still sometimes it'll just be weird and needs a reset. But it doesn't surprise me, it's sad we've come to tolerate that from the world's most popular OS.

As an aside, unless you are playing games that need NT kernel anticheat or are using a store other than steam, odds are the overall experience and performance is better on linux at this point.

And even Mac is doing well with games, most of my library runs natively. Baldurs Gate 3 runs better on the newer Apple chips than my somewhat aging gaming PC.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by rectang »

vehemenz wrote: post #849
rectang wrote: post #148

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And the elder generation is always convinced that the young generation is degenerate, incompetent, and destined for ruin.

And yet, sometimes the criticism is warranted, and sometimes it's not. That's why it's good not to overgeneralize about patterns.

I think that’s unnecessary waffling. Of course there are exceptions, but the prejudiced negative views that the old and the young hold of each are generally wrong.

For example, the constantly recurring critique that the music of the young is not about musicality[1] is always wrong. It's as wrong today as it was about Elvis.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45637667#45639674

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by Lammy »

quitit wrote: post #731
AkelaA wrote: post #76

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It also - as seen in that screenshot, had large, always visible scrollbars where it was easy to see how far down you were in a folder or document, and could easily click and drag to scroll to where you needed. Now in the service of minimalism we have scrollbars that consist of a thin, semi-transparent line that fades out after half a second and is nearly impossible to click and drag due to how small it is.

If one chooses "Always" under the "Show scroll bars" option on the Appearance System Settings panel. They will be rewarded with thick*, always-on scroll bars that do not disappear. *They're the same thickness as Aqua.

They are still very low-contrast compared to what was.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by Lammy »

TonyTrapp wrote: post #702
AlienRobot wrote: post #285

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Windows also used to have a "grip" indicator. Nowadays I only see this in resziable textboxes in browsers...

To be fair, this grip indicator only (and still) exists when the window has a status bar. It's part of the Windows status bar design, not of the window design. Of course, many more applications used to have status bars than they do now, so that's why you see it less often.

> To be fair, this grip indicator only (and still) exists when the window has a status bar.

Here's a resizable window in Platinum that has a drag handle but does not have a status bar: https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/settings/appearance/ma...

edit: I missed "Windows" in GP comment. Well let it be known that at least Platinum wasn't like this :)

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by Wojtkie »

I think it is really telling of the quality of the UI when the best way to use it is after enabling a bunch of accessibility settings. I found the Liquid Glass color background effect make some websites unusable on Safari due to the background becoming the same color as the text.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by enaaem »

bborud wrote: post #721
signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

I don't understand why Apple change things needlessly. What other purpose does it serve? How does this positively affect the bottom line? How does it improve life for Apple's users? Breaking basic interaction with windows purely because someone feels we should waste more screen real-estate on ornamentation by having bigger radius rounded corners is, for lack of a better word, stupid. I'd like Apple to focus more on t…

Good design should be timeless. For example, I like wat Leica did for their M serie cameras. At a certain point they decided that the design was done, and stopped messing around. For that you need leadership with good taste, because designers will always design.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by gizajob »

iLemming wrote: post #185
signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

One of the most annoying things after installing Tahoe for me, that for no good reason an ordinary app would randomly lose its focus. In the midst of my typing. This is unbelievably preposterous and I just can't stop hating Apple for this crap. How the fuck this is acceptable? I just have no words. What makes it even worse that I couldn't even complain about it on their support pages - they just keep removing my comm…

If only Stevesie was still here to roll some heads :(
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