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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tgma »

padjo wrote: post #825
tgma wrote: post #766

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> Proroguing in parliaments is nothing new or anti-democratic. He prorogued the parliament and was calling for a referendum to overthrow the monarchy against the Constitution. He was terminated by the monarch per Constitution, but he would not leave the post which resulted in uprising from both sides. > During that time two monarchs — Reza Shah Pahlavi and his son Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi — employed secret police,…

Strange that a massive revolution would break out in a country in the midst of such a golden era.

Strange that the mighty USSR broke down 10 years after that.

In retrospect, the astute mind would recognize the two may have just been interrelated. In fact, one may have been part of the plan to accomplish the other.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by nemothekid »

sfn42 wrote: post #827
nemothekid wrote: post #748

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This is a historically ignorant take, especially when you consider the country being talked about is Iran. As an American it's very easy to assume that a "government revolution" is something that can executed by the will of the people. Iran had a democratic government. That democratic government voted to do something against Britian's economic interests. In response America dissolved it's government. If I lived in a…

We all have history. It's not long ago that a lot of us Europeans did some pretty messed up stuff. We got over it and now we're all holding hands and such. Except for the damn Russians of course, because we can't just be friends and have nice things, someone has to ruin it for everyone. I don't care what your history is. I care what you're doing now, and if what you're doing now is killing people over 80 year old bee…

>Get over it, move forward.

I'm not sure how Iranian's are supposed to "get over" the fact that America wants middle-east hegemony. My point is exactly that:

You wish the blame the Iranians for the problems with their government, but the underlying problems with their government is because _Americans_ can't stop electing war hawks. The only sin Iranians have comitted in the eyes of the west is being born on top of an oil field. The "beef" might be 80 years old, but the oil is there today and America wants it's cut. Iran didn't want sell their oil to the British while their own people starved and for that they've been a quagmire for 80 years. You are asking them to live as slaves in the name of peace.

Would you tell Ukrainians that they are at fault for the war?

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by jazzyjackson »

johnisgood wrote: post #486
jazzyjackson wrote: post #59

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In addition, Hamas was democratically elected and the incursion into Israel saw popular support from the people of Gaza. They had the option of not going to war, as did Iran.

In addition, what do you think happens when you do and continue doing what Israel has been doing to Palestine for many, many decades? People are just going to be OK with that? History did not start when Hamas attacked Israel as you would like to believe so. Israel had the option of not breeding violence for decades, too. You should brush up a bit on history and look for cause and effect. :P

Shitty to assume someone hasn't brushed up on history because they came to a different conclusion than you

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by danlitt »

fransje26 wrote: post #824
danlitt wrote: post #749

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Are you for real? Being unable to access github is not exactly comparable to rounding people up to be murdered.

Historically, the rounding-up were not meant to straight-up murder people, but to get rid of undesirables.. Now, if we read the original parent post wrote: > [..] the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal prison. [..] you, the manager or executive in charge, and anyone else who is in the know on the transaction is now facing 20 years in federal pounding-in-the-ass prison if they don't immediately c…

If you hear about someone getting actually punished for this then I would probably agree with you. But I (and I think everyone else in the thread) was talking about whether people in the US should risk that punishment in order to support our Iranian friends. OP would not do so and neither would I, because the risk is too great. But I've said repeatedly, I oppose the law, you can't then spin around and act like I'm advocating for rounding people up just because I don't think it's worth my while to break it.

If you want to break that law, go ahead, I will support you all the way, and you will end up in jail anyway.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by sfn42 »

nemothekid wrote: post #852
sfn42 wrote: post #827

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We all have history. It's not long ago that a lot of us Europeans did some pretty messed up stuff. We got over it and now we're all holding hands and such. Except for the damn Russians of course, because we can't just be friends and have nice things, someone has to ruin it for everyone. I don't care what your history is. I care what you're doing now, and if what you're doing now is killing people over 80 year old bee…

> Get over it, move forward. I'm not sure how Iranian's are supposed to "get over" the fact that America wants middle-east hegemony. My point is exactly that: You wish the blame the Iranians for the problems with their government, but the underlying problems with their government is because _Americans_ can't stop electing war hawks. The only sin Iranians have comitted in the eyes of the west is being born on top of a…

Could you try to substantiate these claims about the US extorting Iran for oil?

The only part of your claims that I've found information about is the CIA/MI6 orchestrating a coup in 1953, over 70 years ago. Iran was an ally for a long time after that, the Iranian revolution happened two decades later.

So unless you can point to something more recent I really don't think your blaming the US makes a lot of sense. Iran was an ally of the west and Israel for a long time, then religious extremists took over and pissed all over those alliances. Here's an AI-generated summary:

> Before the 1979 Islamic Revolution, Iran experienced significant economic growth and secular, Western-oriented modernization under the Shah, with expanded education and some cultural freedoms. After the revolution, however, the economy stagnated, inflation and unemployment rose, and per capita income declined significantly

The revolution was not the fault of the west. Iran was doing well, then the revolution happened and it went to shit. I'm sure the west would be happy to support Iran again if it got its shit together. I honestly don't believe these claims that the US is pressuring Iran for oil. Maybe they were 70 years ago, but that's really not very relevant any more.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by andreyvit »

sporkxrocket wrote: post #781
andreyvit wrote: post #767

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I’m not sure if you’re actually asking or not, but in case you want to hear an answer, it’s because Israel is considered to be defending itself after a horrible attack, not that dissimilar to Ukraine really in some people’s view (me included). This goes back to a worldview where residents of a country share a portion of the blame for their country’s actions. This view is not universal, but has a certain mindshare (ag…

The vast majority of the world including the ICC and the UN does not consider Israel to be defending itself. By your own logic, Israelis are culpable for the genocide and land theft committed by their government.

I believe “vast manority” may be a stretch; do you happen to know if there’s a way to quantify that? In my bubble, almost everyone that I personally know and who generally has reasonable beliefs, is on the Israel’s side of this conflict.
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