‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler • Hacker News Board

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by ncr100 » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 5:08 PM UTC

insane_dreamer wrote: post #490

Liron wrote: post #346

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

> I see the key problem as people removing context this is also the main problem with your post; your context goes back to Oct 7, whereas it should go back to 1948 (or earlier). You cannot drive people from their land into a barren reservation, oppress them for decades, and expect them to not resist or fight back. It's the same colonization tactics that were used on the Native Americans, who launched their Intifadas…

Yup - granting power to the state -- from a democratic citizen to the state -- is risky and here it permits a corrupt anti-life (e.g. genocide) state to operate unchallenged.

As it was with the USA, this is a foundational tragedy of Israel.

The innate xenophobic "kill the THEM!" human quality appears to be alive and well, across the world today.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by ychnd » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 5:15 PM UTC

bigtex88 wrote: post #839

9dev wrote: post #664

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Yes. The minimum rules we all must agree on have to be the basic human rights. And that means we can’t take all the civilians in Gaza hostage for Hamas. These are humans with hopes and dreams and friends and family, like you and like Israelis. That Israel in particular would so easily forget about this is horrible.

Gazans are not being put onto railroad cars and shipped off to camps to be systematically exterminated in gas chambers.

... They are starved and slaughtered in place instead.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by ychnd » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 5:21 PM UTC

Liron wrote: post #346

swat535 wrote: post #205

Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

In terms of civilian deaths, Oct 7 is the least important event in this entire fuckup. Or do you think Palestinian lives matter less?

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by cess11 » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 5:22 PM UTC

tguvot wrote: post #836

cess11 wrote: post #799

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There shouldn't be any "israeli population" in the West Bank. To a large extent it is armed and commonly also in uniform, without being in IDF service. From 1999 to 2018 colonial population in the West Bank grew from ~177000 to ~430000 or so. Since the current israeli government took power they've massively accelerated colonial efforts in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and also moved away from military administrat…

you failed to write how much settlement grew. can't find any data about it ?

Why did you fail to read my comment?

https://www.statista.com/chart/20001/number-of-israeli-settl...

https://peacenow.org.il/en/settlements-watch/settlements-dat...

This excludes a few hundreds of thousands in East Jerusalem.

According to international law all of these people must be relocated to israeli territory. If I have understood it correctly the UN GA has given Israel a deadline for this in September.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by pphysch » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 5:23 PM UTC

hersko wrote: post #384

pphysch wrote: post #289

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> Why does X do evil things? What is happening is definitely "evil" in its purest form, but there are many contributing explanations that don't rely on circular reasoning. - long-term geopolitical goals of "the West" in the middle east - a culture defined by a noxious combination of victim complex + ethnoreligious superiority - a society pampered by foreign financial and military aid (not having to stand on its own)…

Your middle two points apply to the Palestinians more than the Israelis IMHO.

That's not a very "humble" opinion, and it's far from the facts.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by cess11 » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 5:27 PM UTC

tguvot wrote: post #834

cess11 wrote: post #786

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Afterwards IDF soldiers bragged in the media about deliberately mutilating peaceful protestors. Here's a clarifying table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_... As you can see it does not include "impacted by tear gas", but a thousand palestinians were harmed by having tear gas canisters shot at them. More than six thousand were maimed by gun fire, and as the numbers show, it was deliberate…

so they tried to breach border en masse, while having armed people among them and got shot only in knees ? sounds like a good outcome for them. israeli citizens didn't have such a good outcome at oct 7 when great march of return succeeded to breach border. and you seems to be angry that they were harmed and not killed. i am confused here. now, you surely know that between 1945 and 1950 about 12m to 14.6m ethnic germa…

They held peaceful demonstrations by the border and got systematically mutilated for it. This is evidence that peaceful struggle is not an option when it comes to ending israeli crimes.

What's your skin in this game? Why are you defending a deeply criminal state?

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by cultofmetatron » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 5:29 PM UTC

Jensson wrote: post #788

cultofmetatron wrote: post #511

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I just think they should be treated the way they treat others. nothing more, nothing less

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by halflife » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 5:33 PM UTC

Balgair wrote: post #837

halflife wrote: post #781

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Ideally? Palestinian accepting the existence of Israel, foregoing their demands for the right to return and East Jerusalem, and then we can peacefully coexist. Realistically? Maintaining strong border security, erect more walls, prevent Palestinians from crossing into Israel, legally or illegally, control any gate they have with the outside to prevent smuggling of weapons. Regarding the hostages? Besiege Gaza until t…

Thanks for the perspective here. I may have disagreements with you, but I appreciate the view

Might I inquire on the disagreement? A civil discussion is always interesting

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by cess11 » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 5:37 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #844

cess11 wrote: post #800

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Some prominent israeli politicians routinely declare that they are the vanguard and front line protection of 'Western civilisation' that are fighting the barbarism of the indigenous savages. Back in 2007 or so polls among israeli teens showed that almost every young israeli jew believed that "arabs" are intellectually inferior, have no culture and are inclined to unreasonable violence. This is quite common in settler…

> Some prominent israeli politicians routinely declare that they are the vanguard and front line protection of 'Western civilisation' Also true in Russia and Hungary, for the West, and India, China, Turkey and Kentucky for other movements. > Back in 2007 or so polls among israeli teens showed that almost every young israeli jew believed that "arabs" are intellectually inferior Tigrayans for central Ethiopians, et cet…

Nothing in the israeli conduct is "bog standard". The drop in longevity in the Gaza strip in 2024 outpaces the Rwandan genocide by a large margin.

Israel is a colonial enterprise, sustained by colonial practices and ruled largely through the displacement of indigenous populations by settlers.

The current crisis in Palestine is hugely damaging to the international judicial order and moves the limits of possible conduct in armed conflict, in Ukraine as well as in Sudan and elsewhere. Many states have shown themselves to be sorely lacking in legitimacy over the last couple of years and will likely suffer quite a bit of unrest for this and related reasons.

I live in such a state, that has also recently come under continous US military presence. This makes this issue important to me.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 5:40 PM UTC

cess11 wrote: post #859

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #844

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> Some prominent israeli politicians routinely declare that they are the vanguard and front line protection of 'Western civilisation' Also true in Russia and Hungary, for the West, and India, China, Turkey and Kentucky for other movements. > Back in 2007 or so polls among israeli teens showed that almost every young israeli jew believed that "arabs" are intellectually inferior Tigrayans for central Ethiopians, et cet…

Nothing in the israeli conduct is "bog standard". The drop in longevity in the Gaza strip in 2024 outpaces the Rwandan genocide by a large margin. Israel is a colonial enterprise, sustained by colonial practices and ruled largely through the displacement of indigenous populations by settlers. The current crisis in Palestine is hugely damaging to the international judicial order and moves the limits of possible conduc…

> The drop in longevity in the Gaza strip in 2024 outpaces the Rwandan genocide by a large margin

Now do Ethiopia, Sudan and Myanmar. (Fact is we generally can’t calculate these statistics in most war zones.)

> Israel is a colonial enterprise, sustained by colonial practices and ruled largely through the displacement of indigenous populations by settlers

This is a popular refrain in American political science circles, agreed. It needs to be stated as such because there really isn’t great evidence for it, it’s just a convenient because it’s available to be applied.

You don’t need settler colonialism for barbarism, war crimes or even genocide. You do need it to oversimplify this conflict.