Why is there an Israel exception to politics on HN?
We have politics on HN all the time.
Dang wrote a comment today explaining our thoughts about this story:
‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]
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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]
#852I don't really understand how this conflict has been dragged out for so long. It seems like with all the external global support, it should be possible to bring enough world leaders together to hammer out a peace treaty. Current strategies of applying external pressure and protesting appear to be largely ineffective. There's so many people who wield immense power and wealth, but they seem unwilling to take direct act…
America, AIPAC, all the democrats funded by AIPAC, all the Christion Zionist republicans... that is why this doesn't stop.
America wont let anyone else intervene.
Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]
#853Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember a lot of people predicting it would lead to this from the start. The response was often along the lines of “If you don’t support Israel’s invasion, you are pro-Hamas.” If those people had a come-to-Jesus moment, great. That said, they probably owe an apology to the people they demonized as supporting terrorism.
How about this response: "Denying Israel the right to protect themselves can't help but strengthen Hamas and won't bring anything other than more suffering to all parties. Israel will do what they need to do, all we can do is hope they will stop short of sinking to the same levels as Oct 7 perpetrators, even though historically it's unlikely, and even though Israel being dragged deeper into that murderous rage pit is…
I don’t recall many people denying Israel’s right to protect themselves against Hamas (I’m sure some did). The concern was them using it as an excuse to perpetrate the Palestinian genocide they wanted all along. That is what we now see. Your comment seems to use the familiar playbook of equating Palestinians and Hamas to muddy the waters.
It is a pretty clear echo of the US’s response to 9/11. People were considered traitors if they didn’t support a full military invasion and occupation. In the end, that was clearly the wrong move.
Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]
#854Does anyone still need testimonies like these to be convinced that Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians using kinetic force and starvation? We're past that point now. Making Gaza unlivable by carpet-bombing the strip, telegraphing mass murder in unambiguous statements at the highest levels of government, dehumanizing the Palestinians and silencing anyone who dares to speak up? I, for one, am thankf…
> Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians using kinetic force and starvation?
If this were the goal, they could do it in hours. Why is the body count so low given the duration of the war?
This isn’t rhetoric. It might be they want plausible deniability.
It seems to me however that everyone knows they aren’t really fooling anyone with their narrative, which really draws into focus: why aren’t they killing tens of thousands of Palestinians every day? They have the means, motive, and opportunity. They have the technology and are in position to do so.
They have not.
We know what systematic genocide looks like. This is mass murder, sure, but if they wanted to commit genocide, it would be done and over with by now.
Instead, they have killed less than 5% of the population of Gaza.
Why is that?
Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]
#855Earlier quoted context omitted.
Was flagged and restored just now, haha. Edit: And this comment is flagged to hell, as well, haha. I guess saying that the systematic murder of civilians is bad is now a controversial opinion, lmao.
Honestly I find it kind of sickening how much people treat this conflict like picking a sports team. I’ve been saying that from the start - I feel for the civilians caught in the middle of this conflict, from both Israel and Gaza. I’ve caught flak from both sides for saying so. Some people seem deadset on making an enemy of nuance.
That’s how every war since the beginning of time has worked. Most people aren’t into mass murder until
you dehumanize the “bad guys” and make it a team vs team thing.
Look at how many Americans clamor for the mass murder of enslaved Russian teenagers.
Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]
#856Earlier quoted context omitted.
one could argue, that with hamas de facto defeated and now rival gangs rising up to take power, israel could unilaterally ceasefire and hold elections for a new government to run the strip. hamas, if they pop up again, are disposed of with both domestic and IDF forces. the main problem is that doing so would probably result in the death of the hostages. hamas wants to stay in power, even if gaza is reduced to sand, t…
Ultimately it's Iran's call who takes power in Gaza, as they've been funding various groups based on the willingness to engage Israel - for this reason the PLO originally fell out in favor of Hamas when it softened its stance.
Ultimately it will be
A) Israel who takes power once the population has been exterminated down to a size they can manage.
B) the israeli regime will be overthrown with military force by an international coalition excluding the west.
Currently A seems more likely. It would not be the first successfully executed genocide.
Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]
#857What's everyone's thoughts on the GHF? They're the only way that food officially enters Gaza. IDF is not supposed to be immediately present at the distribution sites, and yet are shooting civilians. As are contractors hired by GHF. In fact there are cases of nationals joining IDF for the explicit purpose of shooting civilians, seemingly. There are movements to disband the GHF, but how else would Gazans eat?
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If Americans pressure the GHF to shut down, does the situation get worse or better?
Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]
#858Does anyone still need testimonies like these to be convinced that Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians using kinetic force and starvation? We're past that point now. Making Gaza unlivable by carpet-bombing the strip, telegraphing mass murder in unambiguous statements at the highest levels of government, dehumanizing the Palestinians and silencing anyone who dares to speak up? I, for one, am thankf…
> Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians using kinetic force and starvation? If this were the goal, they could do it in hours. Why is the body count so low given the duration of the war? This isn’t rhetoric. It might be they want plausible deniability. It seems to me however that everyone knows they aren’t really fooling anyone with their narrative, which really draws into focus: why aren’t they kill…
Israel kills as many Palesitinians as it thinks it can get away with. They have the means the kill faster, but they are mindful of the international backlash.
Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]
#859“Move the people out and then clean it up” Jared Kushner [0]
His investment firm got 2 billion dollars from the Saudis to invest in Israel.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nneWrllngAU
Edit: When he says Gaza waterfront property he means the natural gas reserves. [1]
1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_the_Gaza_Stri...
Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]
#860Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but how else would Gazans eat Lets be entirely clear that the food crisis in Gaza is manufactured. There is enough food and medicines available and there are several organizations capable of dealing with the logistics of handling out the food, main one among them of course being UNWRA. The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let re…
"The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let real humanitarian organizations work safely there." This is not accurate to say the least. Trucks do get in but Hamas and armed groups control the supplies and prevent a fair distribution
The boxes weigh 44 lb. Imagine sick, injured, and starved people attempting to carry those.
Also original UN plans called for hundreds more distribution sites.