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The $25k car is going extinct?

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Yeah! Let's get rid of requirements for headlights and seatbelts, and brake lights, too. Why do we need all that? /s

If those things are so important to people, they'll happily pay extra for them. Let the market decide! /s

Yes, but without the sarcasm.

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Houses are debt, but are generally and appreciating asset Cars are a depreciating asset. It usually does not make sense to go into debt to get one

Houses are a depreciating asset. They require constant maintenance expenses just to hold their value. It's the land under the house that's the appreciating asset.

While I agree with your point about land, Im not so sure it is true about the house, given changing costs of labor, code compliance, and materials.

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Rearview cameras are effective: https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/bibliography/ref/2130 I agree with having simpler SKUs, but rearview camera is not where to start

Funny story about this. There was a woman who backed over her own kid in the driveway. For some reason, she was not imprisoned for vehicular manslaughter. So instead of not being in prison, she spent the next half decade lobbying congress to make backup cameras mandatory. And it happened. So now everyone's car costs $3k more. It would have been cheaper to put her imprison than impose a $3k cost per every car sold in…

You know prison sentences won't save any children, right?

And taking away licenses is acting too late.

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Some of those “useless” sensors like tire pressure or backup camera are required by law. Even if you get a bare bones hatchback (manual transmission, manual locks, manual windows etc.) they’ll be forced to include those.

Honestly, good! I am so tired of these insane "I want nothing but an engine" spiritual boomers. They are making the road far more dangerous for everyone. Yes, I will force you to have automatic emergency breaking in your Model T hotrod. Yes, you will be mad. Yes, the road will be a lot safer. No I don't care about your boomer rage about technology. No you don't want to live with India tier road laws/standards - even…

What a bigot.

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Yes, if they would make a basic car like in the past I would buy it. Everyone has to sell you too much, I want a simple car, I don't want either the stereo, I will add my own later (I can put it one that is better than the factory one for a cheaper price, but in a modern car replacing the stereo is almost impossible). There are a ton of useless sensors, the sensor that tells you if you have a flat tire (I think I can…

I presume you're gonna buy a Slate truck? https://www.slate.auto/en

I don't want a truck, but if they do that approach for a minivan or a sedan, and they can get it to market, I'd 100% go for that. It sounds amazing.

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In 2024 Toyota in Thailand introduced a cheap pick-up that is a bit under 15.000 USD when THB is converted to USD. I think it's rather neat - the basic model is /very/ basic, but lots of options to customize. https://www.toyota.co.th/en/model/hilux_champ?tab=commercial...

Lol it is the Hilux. This requires posting related info-graphic. Cheers. https://files.catbox.moe/2d1rwq.webp

The first 4 or 5 pickups in that infographic is the Toyota Land Cruiser, not the Hilux. Although this infographic is pretty funny, it's not accurate I'm afraid.

They still make the Land Cruiser more or less in that shape and configuration: https://media.cdntoyota.co.za/toyotacms23/attachments/clz2ej...

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I mean what's a 10-year-old Prius in passable condition cost? It can't be that bad, surely?

https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/prius/2015/ 10 grand it seems? That's pretty rough, especially with that mileage

That's a little steep, but you gotta grade mileage on a curve -- if it's reasonably maintained, it'll keep trucking for a lot longer than that, it should be plenty for a starter car. I mean, I'm biased, since I drive a (very well maintained when I bought it, high mileage) 2007 Prius that I bought for ~7.5k...8, 9 years ago? and I'm still getting ~40mpg and it survived some pretty questionable maintenance and care on my part.

10 grand feels steep, but for a solid car that'll easily last another ten years with minimal maintenance, good fuel economy, I don't know that you can do much better these days, and it doesn't feel unreasonable.

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Any recommendation how to start learning repairing a car? I have absolutely zero experience. A friend of mine said just learn to change a tyre first and I have been procrastinating since.

Youtube is one of the best resources. Almost every time something goes wrong, I was able to find a video of someone fixing that part, usually on the same model of vehicle. Scanning for codes is useful too, every manufacturer has their own scan tool. For example BMW has ISTA+, Ford has Forscan. I think that as right to repair laws become more prevalent, there will be more information generally available.

Youtube kinda sucks for anything that isn't an enthusiast car with a big following but is old enough that it went past beater car and to "you don't see these much anymore" status before Youtube became a thing. Thankfully paper manuals are good and cheap for that kind of stuff.

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China historically does it in a way where they orchestrate cartel like behavior and will dump inventory on the market at low prices to kill off international competition. Some of it is altruistic but not all of it.

That's the geopolitical advantage of being the world's manufacturing hub. Foresight is required when dealing with such entities, not hindsight. If my electric car comes in at 1/4th the price of an American built one, so be it. The tradeoff here is that in countries that aren't engulfed by rent-seeking capitalists who only answer to themselves, countries like China have a policy goal and will make sure the state utili…

Kind of a strange take. I think your thoughts derailed after the first sentence. Advantage? I guess but it’s also cartel like behavior that the rest of the world mostly avoids hence when selective tariffs are often put on China in those areas.

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Any recommendation how to start learning repairing a car? I have absolutely zero experience. A friend of mine said just learn to change a tyre first and I have been procrastinating since.

The reality is that learning how to repair modern cars yourself without the help of someone experienced is a great way to get yourself killed. You might not know about Harbor Freight jackstands being far overrated and thus kill yourself by assuming that they will hold their rated load. You almost certainly cannot find more than some youtube videos about how to do things on your post 2015 vehicle. Haines and other rep…

Everyone starts with no experience. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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