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U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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We tend to prefer stories where there is neatly a good guy and a bad guy. Much easier to reason and support our own moral perspective. Reality doesn’t work like that. Netanyahu may indeed be a war criminal. That doesn’t make Iran the good guy and it doesn’t mean their stonewalling was not likely shielding the development of an offensive nuclear capability. America’s sole responsibility is in its protection and the de…

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"The U.N. nuclear watchdog says there's 'no increase in off-site radiation levels' after US strikes on Iran nuclear sites" https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-n-nuclear-watchdog-says-0510491... That's the whole article. If we blow up a place filled with enriched uranium, shouldn't there be an obvious spike in off-site radiation levels, as the uranium settles to the ground? Meaning, isn't this damning evidence that there was…

Based on satellite imagery from Maxar and reports from Iran state news agencies, they moved the uranium in about 50 trucks to a “safe location” [1]. From Reuters [2]: > Hassan Abedini, deputy political head of Iran's state broadcaster, said Iran had evacuated the three sites some time ago. > "The enriched uranium reserves had been transferred from the nuclear centres and there are no materials left there that, if tar…

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Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

#853

We tend to prefer stories where there is neatly a good guy and a bad guy. Much easier to reason and support our own moral perspective. Reality doesn’t work like that. Netanyahu may indeed be a war criminal. That doesn’t make Iran the good guy and it doesn’t mean their stonewalling was not likely shielding the development of an offensive nuclear capability. America’s sole responsibility is in its protection and the de…

I wish more people were able to perform more balanced/critical thinking like that instead of constantly cheering for their team.

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#854

The military industrial complex always wins in the US, even if the whole reason why you get elected is because you were against it. A majestic mockery of democracy.

Trump pausing, stalling, and threatening to stop aid to Ukraine is proof otherwise.

USA is now an unreliable ally at best and the military industrial complex is a massive loser because of this switch.

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

#855

We tend to prefer stories where there is neatly a good guy and a bad guy. Much easier to reason and support our own moral perspective. Reality doesn’t work like that. Netanyahu may indeed be a war criminal. That doesn’t make Iran the good guy and it doesn’t mean their stonewalling was not likely shielding the development of an offensive nuclear capability. America’s sole responsibility is in its protection and the de…

If America's responsibility is deterrence, why do we invade countries that don't have nuclear capabilities? Don't you suppose that incentivizes every country watching this to develop nukes? They see that if they don't, eventually they'll get invaded. That's the opposite of deterrence.

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That's an all around bad move for the US. Getting dragged into an Israeli war and probably having to carry the can for the next few years alone after getting into a mess not of our own making (well directly anyway). This is going to hit gas prices, the markets and US security considerations all in order to help keep the current Israeli leadership out of Israeli prisons. Bad move.

> the US. Getting dragged into an Israeli war A lot of people saying this, what would this actually entail? My money is much more on this being a "1 and done" exchange. Iran poses very little threat now, launchers being taken out everyday, leadership chain wiped out, seemingly no other Iran allies getting pulled into the fold

> My money is much more on this being a "1 and done" exchange

For as long as I've been alive, every action from the US in the middle east been a "1 and done" exchange, and Bush famously hosted a "Mission Accomplished" party two months after the start of the invasion of Iraq.

I'd be surprised if this was the only action from the US' side during this war, based on history, but maybe things are different today, seems highly unlikely though.

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#857

One thing about this situation is that makes me reassess my impression of "deep state / military industrial complex". Both Trump and Tulsi Gabbard (pre election) was running a "no war" platform with heavy connotation of "deep state" and wars only serving special interests (including Israel). My impression was that this outsider aspect really bought many libertarian and non-hawk republicans vote. Hell, Gabbard was eve…

Voter polls?

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#858

The military industrial complex always wins in the US, even if the whole reason why you get elected is because you were against it. A majestic mockery of democracy.

Trump was ever against the military industrial complex? News to me. His first presidency should have been enough to classify him as a huge warmonger forever.

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post #366
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I think Netanyahu belongs in prison, and Trump, the less said the better, but: couldn't have happened to a nicer unauthorized weapons-grade uranium enrichment facility dug into the side of a mountain hours outside of population centers. If you haven't already, I highly recommend reading up on the GBU-57 "bunker buster" bomb, because it is some Merrie Melodies Acme brand munitions. It's deliberately as heavy as they c…

Let’s hope that the destruction of facilities comes with the regime change in Iran. otherwise it may have just given a brief pause and further escalation. If the regime survives, now Iranian people have a very good reasons to ignore its shortcomings and tyranny and Do a proper sacrifice. It’s a natural resources rich nation of 90 million people. If they want to get serious, they can get serious.

Or bomb the oil routes to ensure the rest of the region collapses alongside them.

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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post #854

The military industrial complex always wins in the US, even if the whole reason why you get elected is because you were against it. A majestic mockery of democracy.

Trump pausing, stalling, and threatening to stop aid to Ukraine is proof otherwise. USA is now an unreliable ally at best and the military industrial complex is a massive loser because of this switch.

The military industrial complex doesn't care who their weapons are used against. Trump plans to add a trillion to the Pentagon's budget, with most of it presumably going to private contractors. How are they losing?
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