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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

yupitsme123 wrote: post #836
localghost3000 wrote: post #790

I live in LA and have been here for almost 30 years now. This stunt is a provocation designed to get a reaction. He wants an excuse to crack heads in a city he hates and that hates him back. He probably also wants us to forget about Musk outing him on the Epstein files. Watching this unfold here is reminding me strongly of the Ghorman plotline in Andor S2: "You need a resistance you can count on to do the wrong thing…

I don't disagree with you, but after all the damage that was done by riots in 2020, there should be a desire to nip violent protests in the bud.

Why does 2020 fundamentally alter the nature of protest?

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

Hilift wrote: post #493

California has 25% of the 11 million unauthorized immigrants in the US. Last year, while Biden attempted to promote an immigration bill that did not pass, California made Medicaid available to unauthorized immigrants. 22% of California residents are on Medicaid, requiring $85 billion per year in matching federal assistance. Now the state has a $12 billion deficit projection for 2026. Los Angeles city recently issued…

You were talking about billions of dollars but now 1 million is a relevant amount of taxpayer money destroyed? Am I missing something? A million is money, no doubt, but not relevant on a wider scale to any degree.

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Post by atombender »

kstrauser wrote: post #606
matt-attack wrote: post #601

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Perceived enemy? Even the most liberal of cities touting themselves as “sanctuary cities” had to pivot and declare they simply cannot handle the influx. 12million immigrants came into the country during the Biden administration. This type of load on the system does not go unnoticed. NYC for example was drastically transformed. Why do you think it’s just a “perceived” problem?

That’s a lie. The actual number was closer to 4 million. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/uni...

The New York Times put it at about 2.4m/year, or around 10m total: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/11/briefing/us-immigration-s....

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

daft_pink wrote: post #791
Cheer2171 wrote: post #490

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Sorry, shattered most of the windows of the central business district, destroyed virtually every grocery store and pharmacy to the point of an almost total loss, carried away most anything of value that could be reasonably carried away on foot from any retailer or small business, vandalized tons of private property/vehicles. Lit tons of police cars on fire. I don’t still live there. Honestly, it convinced me right or…

Could you show me evidence of your first claims? That still seems like an overstatement.

>shattered windows

Yeah, I could see most of the first floor windows being broken

>destroyed groceries and pharmacies

Wait virtually every, and a total loss? I’m skeptical.

>stole lots from businesses

Sure, I don’t doubt it, though how widespread this was across cities is worth asking.

>vandalized

Don’t doubt this at all.

>lit police cars on fire

Sure, yeah, but how much does that add up to? A few cars per city wouldn’t be much in the grand scheme.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by 1659447091 »

aaronbaugher wrote: post #807
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #806

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Even Ronald Reagan wasn't as cruel as the current regime and implemented an Amnesty for millions instead of doing what Trump/ICE are currently doing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control...

Reagan's amnesty, like the others, was a bait and switch. The DC/corporate establishment said, "Let us amnesty the ones that are here, and we'll get control of the border and stop the flow." After getting their amnesty, the second part never happens. That's led directly to the current mess because it taught people that the most important thing is to get into the country, regardless of legality, so you could be in pla…

> it taught people that the most important thing is to get into the country, regardless of legality, so you could be in place when the next amnesty came along.

That is a strange thing to think is to blame. I'll take a guess that you do not live in a (south) border state.

People were taught they could come into the country and (1) find work that (2) paid more than not having work -- when they got paid at all [0] and still less than US workers [1] and the state not only allows it but encourages it. Why? There continues to be a chronic shortage of construction workers to fill jobs. Our housing situation would be far worse if the GOP immigration stance was anything more than a dog and pony show. [2]

The state with the longest south border has refused to require businesses use the fed e-verify system to check work id's, everyone knows they use fake ids. It's not some scandal that Reagan or the "Dems" recently caused. It's simply just the way it always has been. Makes for great rage bait though.

But, we do appreciate all your federal tax dollars paying us to "get tough on immigration"!

Texas, again, failed to pass a bill aimed at conducting a "study of the economic, environmental and financial effects of illegal immigration on the state" -- just the cost mind you. The last study in 2006 found that they contributed more than they cost. Deporting the "estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants living in Texas in 2005 would have cost the state about $17.7 billion in GPD." [3] They have since refused to do another study. They know mass deporting immigrants would devastate the economy and growth.

For the undocumented that's been here awhile, it's just another day. Maybe they get unlucky and it's their turn to play a part in the "tough on immigration" hoax. They'll be back in a few days because the state and their employer needs them and no one will bat an eye when the cameras are off. Which is why we should be taking note of the extremes Trump is going to, there is something else to it; else his buddies in Texas would have passed those bills last month.

[0] https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12/16/undocumented-workers...

[1] https://www.fosterglobal.com/news/report_half_of_tx_construc... [pdf]

[2] https://www.texastribune.org/2025/06/05/texas-e-verify-requi...

[3] https://www.texastribune.org/2024/12/06/texas-undocumented-i...

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by honeybadger1 »

beyondHelp wrote: post #646
honeybadger1 wrote: post #481

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LA is definitely okay with illegal immigrants, but it's akin to a deal with the devil. It's a sacrifice on their part for cheap labor in exchange for the occasional burning down and looting of their favorite locations when the tide turns against their favor as it is right now. There is an entire economic system and mechanism of living wrapped around this blood-contract in states like California. The moment something…

Also, the downvoting provides very deep insight of thinking that has taken over. These people have no critical thinking - not to mention self-criticism, as that has been carefully rooted out - apparently knowledge is not important, but education. The paid actors in streets are not the main problem of USA, but whole generation of imbeciles, that can't take responsibility of their own - not to mention for whole country…

This is not true, just last night an Apple store and Ootoro were completey looted and destroyed. I'm clearly calling out a problem from both sides unwilling to move a needle properly.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

ChoGGi wrote: post #527
techdmn wrote: post #489

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Just watched a vid of LAPD trampling a person with a horse, then shooting them with what looked like a baton round at a range of 5-10 feet. That is a life altering injury, administered with direct intent, while the protestor was trying to flee. Holding my breath for zero consequences for unnecessary force. Not to mention qualified immunity. LAPD doing LAPD things. How can one argue that the police serve the people? T…

Nobody should be trampled, but for some context there was a Molotov about 10 seconds beforehand, and the first trample was a horse being spooked by some fireworks. Longer vid: https://streamable.com/bc1sog Still doesn't make it right.

Last I checked, police arrests dangers, not shoot them while they are already incapacitated.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

jandrese wrote: post #749
anonymid wrote: post #735

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I agree - there seems to be talking past each other about some very fundamental things: How extensive is the violence of the protests? I saw some images shared of cars that were burned, maybe some buildings damaged. But also lots of images from other protests from previous years. Are the images of the same 3 cars and storefronts or many? Trump says the riots are out of control, Newsom says the protests are largely pe…

From what I've seen the burned cars are Waymos, which have their own set of issues and the burning is probably more opportunistic than related to the protest in general. People have been protesting Waymo for years now, obstructing them with cones and other such vandalism. One big thing is that since Waymos are driverless the violence is not being perpetrated against people.

According to LaTimes, 5 waymos were burned, so Google temporarily stopped servicing the area affected by the protests.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

jasondigitized wrote: post #756
anonymid wrote: post #735

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I agree - there seems to be talking past each other about some very fundamental things: How extensive is the violence of the protests? I saw some images shared of cars that were burned, maybe some buildings damaged. But also lots of images from other protests from previous years. Are the images of the same 3 cars and storefronts or many? Trump says the riots are out of control, Newsom says the protests are largely pe…

The key tell is.....CNN for example is mentioning with specificity how many cops and military are on the ground but only uses the word "large groups" when talking about how many protestors and rioters there are. Mentioning the actual small numbers of protestors / rioters doesn't allow them to sensationalize this.

The police and military are giving numbers, so you can easily publish those. I don't think the protesters are counting themselves, or maybe you could use AI and drones to do a survey of how many protests are out?

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Post by johnnyanmac »

lordnacho wrote: post #334
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #260

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> One fights the enemies of the state "At stake is a fundamental component of the framework of US constitutional democracy. It begins with the principle, enshrined in law, that military forces exist to protect the country from existential threats — such as an invasion or rebellion — not to enforce the law. Most fundamentally, the founders of the American republic understood very clearly that concentrated military pow…

Well I hate to disparage a large group of people, but how often have you spoken to an American who understands this type of social-legal history of the country, and values it? Although I know quite a lot of (what I consider) well-educated Americans, it is also the only country from which I regularly meet the type of person who doesn't care at all about how society works (also, technology, history, art, etc). You'll p…

> how often have you spoken to an American who understands this type of social-legal history of the country, and values it?

This was supposedly a staunch conservative stance once upon a time. The last decade clearly shifted such mentality towards one not dissimilar to Russia. I guess the cold war never true ended.

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