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Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Assuming you have high utility for guns, what do you use it for? Hunting? I'm no hunter and have never felt like I need a gun.

I'm guessing you've never lived in a rural area? * Protection against aggressive wild animals. * Protection against aggresive humans. This often applies elsewhere, but becomes less and less optional the further away law enforcement is. * Arguably more humane way of killing pests than poison or most types of lethal trap.

I mean yeah these are legitimate uses, but how often is this stuff happening?

As compared to cars - which is pretty much the last line of defense against you being homeless and without a job.

I would wager most people can give up their guns, say, 50% of the time and nothing changes. The same isn't true for cars.

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> or gang infightings Gangs have easy access to guns when everyone does.

They also do when everyone doesn’t.

Not true. Every illegal firearm was produced legally and sold legally.

Making guns is very hard. The only way to get them is from people who actually make firearms. If they don't exist, then you can't get guns, no matter how gangster or organized you are.

I mean, it's not like the Mafia is making fucking factories to produce steel firearms.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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> Maybe some folks need to take a moment to deal with a little discomfort. Your scooter wouldn’t even clear the snow here, let alone stay upright on the ice. I think some folks need to realize the world is a big place that doesn’t always look like their local area.

Meh. If a person can't be responsible while driving, then I don't really care what the consequences are for them; they shouldn't be on the road. In fact, I hope it does make life difficult for them - maybe they'll think twice and not drive like an idiot and put innocent people's lives at risk.

Don't make the mistake of presuming that levying a legal penalty equates to perfect compliance. When faced with a choice between compliance and survival, people will choose the latter.

https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-uninsure...

If policies continue to push more people to operate vehicles extralegally, problems caused by these drivers may get worse instead of better.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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A lot of things are more dangerous than going over speed limits, and it will not be possible to prevent everything with technical gadgets.

So let’s just do nothing! Why bother doing anything!

Yes, this is exactly my problem with this type of reasoning.

You can make these arguments for anything. If we can't even get the most obvious low-hanging fruit because "aww it's slightly inconvenient" then we can't even DREAM of solving complex problems.

This new "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" mentality towards policy is so toxic. That's the only guaranteed way to not solve a problem! It's an anti-solution!

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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How does this make sense? If I'm driving the speed limit and someone else is crashing into me from behind while speeding, they are the dangerous driver. No matter how many other people also ignore the speed limit. Also, increasing the speed limit does nothing to make traffic safer. That doesn't make any sense at all, as increased speed is correlated very well with increased accident rates and severity of traffic-rela…

It should be obvious that driving substantially slower than everyone else would make you a danger to others. Try driving at the speed limit on a high way in southern NY, especially in the left lane. You will have many near accidents and the reality is that you would be the dangerous driver for not keeping pace with everyone else. Increasing the speed limit to the 85th percentile so that you do not have the few people…

>Increasing the speed limit to the 85th percentile so that you do not have the few people who actually obey it posing a hazard to others does make things safer.

[citation needed]

Seriously. That is a pretty bold claim that you should be able support with actual studies, if true. You have several things working against your hypothesis:

- While it may be true that driving at the legal speed limit might slightly increase the risk of accidents when many other drivers drive faster than the speed limit, a general increase of the speed limit might severly increase risk for everyone.

- Many people do not drive above the speed limit, because they have a "higher normal", but because they feel entitled to "drive faster". I.e. they claim that they are "better drivers", they have a superior need to arrive faster, etc. Those people will just adapt their behavior to the new, higher speed limit and again drive above that, making the entire exercise pointless and dangerous.

- A potential and less risky alternative would be improved enforcement of the current speed limit.

There are probably plenty of other arguments that actual experts in this field would bring up.

>Getting cars off the road sooner by reducing travel time, decreases the number of cars on the road. This increases the distance between cars and accidents only when the distance betweeen a vehicle and something else reaches 0.

That makes no sense at all. It has been proven in both theoretical and practical tests that driving "all out" does not decrease travel time drastically in almost all circumstances. But it substantially increase the risk of accidents. So any minuscule decrease in car density will be far outweighed by increased accident risk per kilometer driven.

>Forcing people to drive slower therefore causes collisions by bringing cars closer to one another.

It's actually the other way around: Forcing people to drive slower drastically reduced the risk of collisions because people are slower and have more time to react. It also reduces the incidence of traffic jams (because sharp braking prevalent with speeding drivers is a main contributor to traffic jams), which are in turn a major factor in collisions.

>As for severity, people drive much faster in Germany where there is no high way speed limit for much of the autobahn yet their autobahn network has half the fatalities that U.S. highways have.

You'll have to control for other factors, of course. Cars in the US are much larger and heavier than in Germany, for example. In statistics, you want to compare apples to apples, so you control for vehicle weight when trying to make observations about the impact of speed on accident severity.

>As for your link, it talks about pedestrian safety.

True. But the same holds true for vehicle collisions. It's really basic physics. All other things being equal, faster cars have more energy. More energy = more severe accident outcomes.

>Did you post the first link that seemed to agree with your position as part of some fallacious appeal to authority because logic failed to agree with your preconceived notions that you were never equipped to defend?

No. There are plenty of other sources that support my views, i.e.

https://road-safety.transport.ec.europa.eu/eu-road-safety-po...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00014... ("Impact speed was found to have a highly significant positive relationship to risk of serious injury for all impact types examined.")

Where are your sources?

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Thank God. People on the roads are extremely reckless and we don't do anything about it. Our highways are lawless for the most part. People can drive however they feel like it. You literally have to kill someone AND be drunk before you actually get in trouble and are locked up. If you kill someone sober though, it's totally fine under our current system. In my opinion, if you get caught driving recklessly, the punish…

Speed isn't the issue. Lack of education to get license in USA is, and of course DUI.

Education is required in NY:

https://dmv.ny.gov/driver-license/complete-pre-licensing-req...

Other states could adopt the same requirements.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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With encryption backdoors, you only need two steps, and the second step is on the honor system, which is why people resist the first step. With this, it looks like there are more than two steps, but given that all future cars will effectively support this in software and will be internet connected such that it can be enabled remotely, we really only have two steps. It only appears to be multiple steps because older c…

That is also making a lot of assumptions that all cars will soon be mandatory internet-connected. I expect there will be a LOT of push-back on that one, and there are still also many areas without cell coverage. Would you expect all cars would stop running without cell coverage? Here's at least one entirely new car, with Bezos' backing, that AFAICT will have zero internet connection. [0] Considering the cost trajecto…

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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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With encryption backdoors, you only need two steps, and the second step is on the honor system, which is why people resist the first step. With this, it looks like there are more than two steps, but given that all future cars will effectively support this in software and will be internet connected such that it can be enabled remotely, we really only have two steps. It only appears to be multiple steps because older c…

That is also making a lot of assumptions that all cars will soon be mandatory internet-connected. I expect there will be a LOT of push-back on that one, and there are still also many areas without cell coverage. Would you expect all cars would stop running without cell coverage? Here's at least one entirely new car, with Bezos' backing, that AFAICT will have zero internet connection. [0] Considering the cost trajecto…

Mandatory internet connections are not needed when navigation systems and infotainment systems are making internet connections increasingly common.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Everyone doing 60 doesn't see each other because we're all doing the same speed, the ones going faster are the dangerous drivers.

It's a rare stretch of American interstate highway where the majority are sticking to the speed limit. On different roads the ratio of speeders to "speed limit doers" varies, but interstates have fairly consistent driving conditions and the safe speed for those conditions is consistently higher than the posted limit. Usually traffic on American interstates is staying at the speed limit if : there is a fair amount of…

>and the safe speed for those conditions is consistently higher than the posted limit.

A cursory look at traffic safety statistics would seem to dispute this statement. The US consistently ranks quite high in traffic fatalities, which seems to indicate that you couldn't safely drive faster than the current speed limit in most circumstances. Of course you'd have to control for a lot of other factors for a definite conclusion, but conversely, I'd like to see an actual source for your theory.

Enforcing a speed limit is actually not that hard if you want to. You can of course put stationary or mobile speed cameras in place. But even better may be systems I've seen in some places in southern Europe: Cameras at the beginning and end of a stretch of highway that compare time stamps of your passing and calculate the average speed of your car in that stretch. If you've passed the stretch quicker than should be possible according to the speed limit you'll be fined. It's quite low tech, cameras are prevalent on the highway systems of many countries, anyway, and it solves the problem of people adhering only to the speed limit if they know they are being observed by law enforcement.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Thank God. People on the roads are extremely reckless and we don't do anything about it. Our highways are lawless for the most part. People can drive however they feel like it. You literally have to kill someone AND be drunk before you actually get in trouble and are locked up. If you kill someone sober though, it's totally fine under our current system. In my opinion, if you get caught driving recklessly, the punish…

This sounds like high anxiety nonsense to mommy the rest of us. Our highways are not lawless. They are among the most regulated areas of daily human life in the US after accounting for both criminal and civil penalties. Whether people abide by those regulations is a different matter, but to say its lawless is a wild fantasy of people who probably shouldn't be on the roads in the first place.

Traffic law enforcement is a highly localized issue in the US. While there are places that will pull people over for going 5mph over and traffic is calm and orderly, there are also places where traffic laws are rarely enforced. In major cities it is not hard to find roads where severe traffic violations are routine (speeding 20mph+ over, driving on the shoulder, running red lights, etc).
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